What's Wrong with Obama?
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CNN reports that a woman the president hailed as an Obamacare success story just realized she won't be able to afford Obamacare because it's too expensive:
"Jessica Sanford was cited by the president as an Obamacare success story at a health care event he had here at the White House in the Rose Garden on October 21," says a reporter for CNN from the White House. "That of course being just last month. The 48-year-old single mom from Washington state purchased what she considered to be affordable health care, life-changing event, she said, on the Washington state health exchange. She decided she was so excited about this news, she wanted to write an e-mail to the president to say that this had really changed her life and that she was thankful for the Afforable Care Act. The president included her e-mail in his remarks to people on hand for the event. Here's a bit of what the president had to say."
The CNN report quotes President Obama as saying, "I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state. And here's what she wrote, I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed. and I haven't had insurance for 15 years because it's too expensive. I was crying the other day when I signed up, so much stress lifted."
"But days, just really three days after she was mentioned by the president, Jessica Sanford started having problems, she was receiving letters from the Washington state health exchange," reports CNN. "The first letter telling her that tax credit was reduced, therefore, increasing the cost of her health care plan and the,n take a look at this, then she received a letter just last week telling her that her tax credit had been taken away all together. Show you another document here, showing what the tax credit worked out to be... zero dollars according to this document that was provided to us by Jessica Sanford. She describes all of this as a roller coaster ride. Now she says she can't afford insurance in Washington state because of the new developments."
Sanford tells CNN that she's embarrassed. "It was a huge disappointment, especially since i had, you know, my story had been shared by the president. I felt like, you know, i just felt really embarrassed that, you know, he quoted my story and then come to find that the Washington health plan finder, the website here in our state, had grossly miscalculated or they're having a problem figuring their tax credits. and so at least for right now, i don't -- i'm not going to be getting insurance," she says.live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.0 -
Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:Godfather. wrote:ajedigecko wrote:
careful man using news sources and cut and paste are no longer acceptable and besides it was Bush's falt
we all post news sources for discussion content and to BACK UP our opinions, but you're the only one that uses them in place of an opinion.
I've given my OPINION many times on obama Islam and so on but that isn't what the general population around here want to hear, I guess my rights to free speech don't aply here, would my opinion be accepted by you and others if it were the same as yours...come on man I have been called a bigot and a racist amung other thing's because of my opinion so you really should re-think your constant "no opinion" comments.
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badbrains wrote:Godfather. wrote:no....I'm not a violent person. and I ment you should hit him with your purse....you know the man purse or the marse.
Godfather.
Ohhhhhh, that's your attempt at humor? :roll: Seems like you're the ONLY one laughing......But then again, now that Areil is gone, you're an army of 1. :corn: But at least you keep trying. Bravo!!!well arn't you the big boy.
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Godfather. wrote:I've given my OPINION many times on obama Islam and so on but that isn't what the general population around here want to hear, I guess my rights to free speech don't aply here, would my opinion be accepted by you and others if it were the same as yours...come on man I have been called a bigot and a racist amung other thing's because of my opinion so you really should re-think your constant "no opinion" comments.
Godfather.
I am more than happy to discuss and disagree with people here with differing views. In fact that's mostly what I do. That's what most of us do. That's what a discussion is. It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything; there would actually be no point in saying anything for the most part. The difference is you:
1) either post an uneducated and sometimes bigoted opinion
2) post an article from the internet without having your own opinion, and as you admitted in this very thread, barely read and/or understood what you posted.
How often do I disagree with Byrnzie? Quite often. How often do I disagree with Prince? Quite often. And polaris. Almost always.And many others. But I respect their posts (most of the time) because they are well thought-out and researched.
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ajedigecko wrote:CNN reports that a woman the president hailed as an Obamacare success story just realized she won't be able to afford Obamacare because it's too expensive:
"Jessica Sanford was cited by the president as an Obamacare success story at a health care event he had here at the White House in the Rose Garden on October 21," says a reporter for CNN from the White House. "That of course being just last month. The 48-year-old single mom from Washington state purchased what she considered to be affordable health care, life-changing event, she said, on the Washington state health exchange. She decided she was so excited about this news, she wanted to write an e-mail to the president to say that this had really changed her life and that she was thankful for the Afforable Care Act. The president included her e-mail in his remarks to people on hand for the event. Here's a bit of what the president had to say."
The CNN report quotes President Obama as saying, "I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state. And here's what she wrote, I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed. and I haven't had insurance for 15 years because it's too expensive. I was crying the other day when I signed up, so much stress lifted."
"But days, just really three days after she was mentioned by the president, Jessica Sanford started having problems, she was receiving letters from the Washington state health exchange," reports CNN. "The first letter telling her that tax credit was reduced, therefore, increasing the cost of her health care plan and the,n take a look at this, then she received a letter just last week telling her that her tax credit had been taken away all together. Show you another document here, showing what the tax credit worked out to be... zero dollars according to this document that was provided to us by Jessica Sanford. She describes all of this as a roller coaster ride. Now she says she can't afford insurance in Washington state because of the new developments."
Sanford tells CNN that she's embarrassed. "It was a huge disappointment, especially since i had, you know, my story had been shared by the president. I felt like, you know, i just felt really embarrassed that, you know, he quoted my story and then come to find that the Washington health plan finder, the website here in our state, had grossly miscalculated or they're having a problem figuring their tax credits. and so at least for right now, i don't -- i'm not going to be getting insurance," she says.
I think it is probably a good thing to back fill this report because I have a bad habit of trying to collect as much data as I can before making responding to something. Plus, I have this terrible affliction where i don't believe what one news source reports. Our media is more focused on 'breaking News', than they are on gathering the facts and reporting the full story to us.
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"Jessica Sanford, 48, discovered that she is no longer eligible for a large subsidy that would have lowered her monthly premium to $169 per month. Instead, Sanford would now be forced to pay nearly four times as much, $621, for coverage...
Sanford works as a court reporter and says she makes just under $50,000 a year. Her 14-year-old son requires a monthly prescription that is expensive because it must come from a compounded pharmacy. She said she thought the originally promised $452 monthly premium subsidy would help her close the financial gap."
(ref: http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-%E2%80% ... 39697.html )
Summary:
The Insurance Policy is still $621 a month. She was banking on the Government to cover $452 of that bill (about 73% of the $621 total cost), leaving her with a balance of $169 she'd be on the hook for.
My best guess... and i admit, it is purely an unfounded guess... is that her annual income of $50,000 is too high to qualify for the taxpayers to cover. If she was in the $15,000 a year range... that would be different becuase, come on, 15K is a base line Honda Civic, which is an uber-luxury item to someone earning that amount, right?
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I don't know... is an annual income of $50,000.00 a lot of money... or is it closer to the poverty level?
Is $50,000 a year too high to qualify for the taxpayers to cover 73% for her? I don't know.
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EDIT** I looked it up. The Median Income in the U.S. for 2012 was $51,000 (all households)
(ref. http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p60-245.pdf ) See Table 1 on page 6Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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that fucking sucks if she's still on the hook for $700 after being "insured". $50,000 for a single mom of a teenager is ok. On the lower end of middle class is my guess, depending where she lives and what the taxes are like. But that $700 per month will take a MASSIVE chunk out of her paycheque.Gimli 1993
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Because i missed the other thread, i am just going to pop this in here
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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:Godfather. wrote:I've given my OPINION many times on obama Islam and so on but that isn't what the general population around here want to hear, I guess my rights to free speech don't aply here, would my opinion be accepted by you and others if it were the same as yours...come on man I have been called a bigot and a racist amung other thing's because of my opinion so you really should re-think your constant "no opinion" comments.
Godfather.
I am more than happy to discuss and disagree with people here with differing views. In fact that's mostly what I do. That's what most of us do. That's what a discussion is. It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything; there would actually be no point in saying anything for the most part. The difference is you:
1) either post an uneducated and sometimes bigoted opinion
2) post an article from the internet without having your own opinion, and as you admitted in this very thread, barely read and/or understood what you posted.
How often do I disagree with Byrnzie? Quite often. How often do I disagree with Prince? Quite often. And polaris. Almost always.And many others. But I respect their posts (most of the time) because they are well thought-out and researched.
:nono:
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g under p wrote:ajedigecko wrote:All this talk of lies...
I appreciate the truth he shared...
"I am really good at killing people with drones."
- obama
Interesting quote I don't know the context, however if those people are terrorists do you have an issue with him killing those people?
Mind you I cant stand that drone program because with it many innocent people are also killed in those attacks in search of said terrorists.
Peace
Extra-judicial assassinations are illegal under international law. They are acts of terrorism. Not only that, but Innocent people are being deliberately targeted in these drone strikes. The U.S government has become a terrorist outfit.
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ajedigecko wrote:
I am not against drones.
If you support drone strikes then you support terrorism and the murder of innocents.0 -
Aafke wrote:If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:Aafke wrote:If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
holy smokes... never heard that shit
where can i read or watch video about this event? where & when was this?for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
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I am tired; my heart is
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chadwick wrote:Byrnzie wrote:Aafke wrote:If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
holy smokes... never heard that shit
where can i read or watch video about this event? where & when was this?
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/ ... one-strike
Three U.S citizens.
I wouldn't be surprised if soon they'll be using drone strikes to kill U.S citizens within your own borders.0 -
Sorry, make that four U.S citizens: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... ne-strikes0
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Like I said, the U.S government is now a terrorist organization.
Anwar al-Awlaki's 16 year old son:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... e-strikes/
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
Byrnzie wrote:Like I said, the U.S government is now a terrorist organization.
Anwar al-Awlaki's 16 year old son:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... e-strikes/
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.Gimli 1993
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Gimli 1993
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Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
Byrnzie wrote:Aafke wrote:If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
OK I take that back, I would be proud of what he tries to do with Obamacare. The points you bring up hear are just shocking and disgusting, in my opinion.
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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:Byrnzie wrote:Like I said, the U.S government is now a terrorist organization.
Anwar al-Awlaki's 16 year old son:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... e-strikes/
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.
Yes indeed, me too!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:Byrnzie wrote:Like I said, the U.S government is now a terrorist organization.
Anwar al-Awlaki's 16 year old son:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... e-strikes/
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.
Shows you what these people of power really think of us "regular" people. That's fucken disgusting.0
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