What's Wrong with Obama?

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

    The somewhat 'sheltered' or 'indoctrinated' perspective of their country is not their fault: from what I have come to understand- and please correct me if I am wrong- the public education system in the US spends an overwhelming portion of their curriculum dedicated to the study of US history. In particular, the glorified version of their history.

    Outside of special programs, the advised curriculum offers very few opportunities to comprehensively study other countries and cultures to any significant degree.

    I don't know if that's correct, but it's what I've also been told. It's kind of a running joke in Canadian education circles that Canadians know more American history than a good percentage of Americans.

    To both Thirty and Hugh- that sounds about right to me. Our public schools don't teach much (if anything) about the genocide of First Nations peoples in North America, we "celebrate" Columbus day instead of mourn his slaughtering of indigenous people and we don't teach very much about cultures beyond out borders except maybe about how good Canadians are at ice hockey and how Mexicans are only good at picking crops and dealing drugs. Yeah, it's pathetic... still.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    p.s. My statement above does not mean we don't have some very excellent, conscientious teachers. We do and you've met some of them here. But the system works against them. I know- I used to work in it.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    brianlux wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

    The somewhat 'sheltered' or 'indoctrinated' perspective of their country is not their fault: from what I have come to understand- and please correct me if I am wrong- the public education system in the US spends an overwhelming portion of their curriculum dedicated to the study of US history. In particular, the glorified version of their history.

    Outside of special programs, the advised curriculum offers very few opportunities to comprehensively study other countries and cultures to any significant degree.

    I don't know if that's correct, but it's what I've also been told. It's kind of a running joke in Canadian education circles that Canadians know more American history than a good percentage of Americans.

    To both Thirty and Hugh- that sounds about right to me. Our public schools don't teach much (if anything) about the genocide of First Nations peoples in North America, we "celebrate" Columbus day instead of mourn his slaughtering of indigenous people and we don't teach very much about cultures beyond out borders except maybe about how good Canadians are at ice hockey and how Mexicans are only good at picking crops and dealing drugs. Yeah, it's pathetic... still.
    This is why Obama is getting away with his lies. Because the people that support him do the same thing. Can you show examples that say American's are taught " how good Canadians are at ice hockey and how Mexicans are only good at picking crops and dealing drugs."
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    First of all when did the Insurance companies find out what was in the law.
    Second When Obama said "you can keep your insurance" that was a lie
    Third when he said "What I said was , you can keep your insurance if..." another lie to cover his other lie.

    Fourth.....psychologists get into the mind of many criminals that authorities are trying to capture all the time...so you don't really have to have a sit down with a crazy when you can see a majority of their actions and decisions ...

    Fifth....some on here have called me names and have made very nasty remarks about my personality. (like you know me) ......and some of you agree with the name callers (could they be called bullies?). They say I am someone I am not...But you believe them. :? Yet we have never had a sit down face to face discussion....

    Obama has never excelled in anything before his Presidency or during......
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • mary justice
    mary justice Posts: 89
    When then have you sat down then with obama??
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mary justice wrote:
    When then have you sat down then with obama??


    Mary.....read the whole post. ;)


    Godfather.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    the last statement is incredibly telling.

    the author is a "psychotherapist and recovering liberal".

    case closed.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    aerial wrote:
    Fourth.....psychologists get into the mind of many criminals that authorities are trying to capture all the time...so you don't really have to have a sit down with a crazy when you can see a majority of their actions and decisions ...

    this isn't Criminal Minds. profling a mass murderer to track them down is a LITTLE bit different than giving specifics of a possible child molestation or traumatic childhood or presenting tidbits of a man's past drug use as an admission of chronic drug use causing permanent brain damage of a man he's never met. gimme a break.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Can Obama supporters answer this: What's right with Obama?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Can Obama supporters answer this: What's right with Obama?

    Let's at least give him this: he's not GWB.

    Let's give him this as well: whether you agree with Obamacare or not... he's trying to work for the benefit of the people of the country- not for the benefit of Rumsfeld and Cheney.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Can Obama supporters answer this: What's right with Obama?

    Let's at least give him this: he's not GWB.

    Let's give him this as well: whether you agree with Obamacare or not... he's trying to work for the benefit of the people of the country- not for the benefit of Rumsfeld and Cheney.
    :lol:

    Ok, ill give you that one. He's no GW
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    aerial wrote:
    Fifth....some on here have called me names and have made very nasty remarks about my personality. (like you know me) ......and some of you agree with the name callers (could they be called bullies?). They say I am someone I am not...But you believe them. :? Yet we have never had a sit down face to face discussion....

    You think that people should sit down face to face before they judge others? Maybe... maybe...

    ... but you eagerly posted some crock of shit psycho analysis crafted by some moron that has never actually spoken to their subject and gets all their information from the hate sites which you do?

    You are unreal, man.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Can Obama supporters answer this: What's right with Obama?

    Let's at least give him this: he's not GWB.

    Let's give him this as well: whether you agree with Obamacare or not... he's trying to work for the benefit of the people of the country- not for the benefit of Rumsfeld and Cheney.
    :lol:

    Ok, ill give you that one. He's no GW

    Point!

    :lol:
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Can Obama supporters answer this: What's right with Obama?

    as an objective Canadian: I truly believe he cares about the american people and how the economy affects them. is he too idealistic? entirely possible. but all the best presidents are when they are allowed the lattitude by congress to do what's best for the nation.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    aerial wrote:
    First of all when did the Insurance companies find out what was in the law.
    Second When Obama said "you can keep your insurance" that was a lie
    Third when he said "What I said was , you can keep your insurance if..." another lie to cover his other lie.

    Fourth.....psychologists get into the mind of many criminals that authorities are trying to capture all the time...so you don't really have to have a sit down with a crazy when you can see a majority of their actions and decisions ...

    Fifth....some on here have called me names and have made very nasty remarks about my personality. (like you know me) ......and some of you agree with the name callers (could they be called bullies?). They say I am someone I am not...But you believe them. :? Yet we have never had a sit down face to face discussion....

    Obama has never excelled in anything before his Presidency or during......

    I find it super ironic that even tho you post things about "losing" our freedoms, which I do agree with you to a degree, but yet you have no problem running and telling on someone who says a funny remark or makes fun of you. You try to have that person banned for, get this, using his/her rights of freedom of speech. Ironic, no? :fp:
  • Aafke
    Aafke Posts: 1,219
    As therapist and historian I do have a great number of question marks by the statements of the therapist originally quoted. As an historian I know that most historical publications tell us more about the writer (and his time) than about the topic he's writing about, because the questions the author works from are very impotent most of the time for the outcome he will find. In my opinion the same can be said about therapists who give their opinion about a person they have never met. Especially when this is a politician, because politicians seldom can speak really their one minds, they have speechwriters who decide what words a politician can use to influence the public opinion. That makes is even more difficult to "diagnose" a politician on his public speeches. In my opinion that is not possible.

    I am no American so I follow your politics from the sideline. In the country I am from we have for a long time general public healthcare. Yes, for that our taxes are higher, but the care one gets is not deepening from the income one has. That means, in my humble opinion, that the weakest members of society (with are often ones that really needs help and care) get the care they need. Call me a socialist for my beliefs but I think that the strength of a society can be measured by the manner of how they treat there weakest members.

    My point with this text is that I think Obamacare is one of the best things that has happened in the history of the U.S. In my opinion Obama is an idealist, but cares for the weakest members of society, he cares for the peolpe and he stands for his believes. If I was an American I would be proud of this president
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Aafke wrote:
    As therapist and historian I do have a great number of question marks by the statements of the therapist originally quoted. As an historian I know that most historical publications tell us more about the writer (and his time) than about the topic he's writing about, because the questions the author works from are very impotent most of the time for the outcome he will find. In my opinion the same can be said about therapists who give their opinion about a person they have never met. Especially when this is a politician, because politicians seldom can speak really their one minds, they have speechwriters who decide what words a politician can use to influence the public opinion. That makes is even more difficult to "diagnose" a politician on his public speeches. In my opinion that is not possible.

    I am no American so I follow your politics from the sideline. In the country I am from we have for a long time general public healthcare. Yes, for that our taxes are higher, but the care one gets is not deepening from the income one has. That means, in my humble opinion, that the weakest members of society (with are often ones that really needs help and care) get the care they need. Call me a socialist for my beliefs but I think that the strength of a society can be measured by the manner of how they treat there weakest members.

    My point with this text is that I think Obamacare is one of the best things that has happened in the history of the U.S. In my opinion Obama is an idealist, but cares for the weakest members of society, he cares for the peolpe and he stands for his believes. If I was an American I would be proud of this president

    very well said!
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Aafke wrote:
    As therapist and historian I do have a great number of question marks by the statements of the therapist originally quoted. As an historian I know that most historical publications tell us more about the writer (and his time) than about the topic he's writing about, because the questions the author works from are very impotent most of the time for the outcome he will find. In my opinion the same can be said about therapists who give their opinion about a person they have never met. Especially when this is a politician, because politicians seldom can speak really their one minds, they have speechwriters who decide what words a politician can use to influence the public opinion. That makes is even more difficult to "diagnose" a politician on his public speeches. In my opinion that is not possible.

    I am no American so I follow your politics from the sideline. In the country I am from we have for a long time general public healthcare. Yes, for that our taxes are higher, but the care one gets is not deepening from the income one has. That means, in my humble opinion, that the weakest members of society (with are often ones that really needs help and care) get the care they need. Call me a socialist for my beliefs but I think that the strength of a society can be measured by the manner of how they treat there weakest members.

    My point with this text is that I think Obamacare is one of the best things that has happened in the history of the U.S. In my opinion Obama is an idealist, but cares for the weakest members of society, he cares for the peolpe and he stands for his believes. If I was an American I would be proud of this president

    very well said!

    Agreed
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Aafke wrote:
    As therapist and historian I do have a great number of question marks by the statements of the therapist originally quoted. As an historian I know that most historical publications tell us more about the writer (and his time) than about the topic he's writing about, because the questions the author works from are very impotent most of the time for the outcome he will find. In my opinion the same can be said about therapists who give their opinion about a person they have never met. Especially when this is a politician, because politicians seldom can speak really their one minds, they have speechwriters who decide what words a politician can use to influence the public opinion. That makes is even more difficult to "diagnose" a politician on his public speeches. In my opinion that is not possible.

    I am no American so I follow your politics from the sideline. In the country I am from we have for a long time general public healthcare. Yes, for that our taxes are higher, but the care one gets is not deepening from the income one has. That means, in my humble opinion, that the weakest members of society (with are often ones that really needs help and care) get the care they need. Call me a socialist for my beliefs but I think that the strength of a society can be measured by the manner of how they treat there weakest members.

    My point with this text is that I think Obamacare is one of the best things that has happened in the history of the U.S. In my opinion Obama is an idealist, but cares for the weakest members of society, he cares for the peolpe and he stands for his believes. If I was an American I would be proud of this president

    very well said!

    Agreed
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Aafke wrote:
    As therapist and historian I do have a great number of question marks by the statements of the therapist originally quoted. As an historian I know that most historical publications tell us more about the writer (and his time) than about the topic he's writing about, because the questions the author works from are very impotent most of the time for the outcome he will find. In my opinion the same can be said about therapists who give their opinion about a person they have never met. Especially when this is a politician, because politicians seldom can speak really their one minds, they have speechwriters who decide what words a politician can use to influence the public opinion. That makes is even more difficult to "diagnose" a politician on his public speeches. In my opinion that is not possible.

    I am no American so I follow your politics from the sideline. In the country I am from we have for a long time general public healthcare. Yes, for that our taxes are higher, but the care one gets is not deepening from the income one has. That means, in my humble opinion, that the weakest members of society (with are often ones that really needs help and care) get the care they need. Call me a socialist for my beliefs but I think that the strength of a society can be measured by the manner of how they treat there weakest members.

    My point with this text is that I think Obamacare is one of the best things that has happened in the history of the U.S. In my opinion Obama is an idealist, but cares for the weakest members of society, he cares for the peolpe and he stands for his believes. If I was an American I would be proud of this president

    I also agree, sometimes it takes one looking at things from the outside to put what they see here in America about health care in proper perspective. Thank you.

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