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on2legson2legs Posts: 15,857
edited November 2013 in The Porch
you discount Pry, to; Bugs; Aye Davanita; and Stupid Mop?

For years, Yield has been my favorite album but recently I burned a copy of Vitalogy minus the four tracks above and it might be my new favorite. For me an already great album becomes brilliant once you eliminate some of the more distracting tracks on there. I know music is a form of art and should probably be experienced as the artist intended, but sometimes I wish they hadn't messed around so much on that album and just dropped ten kick ass tracks on the world. :D

Yes? No? Maybe?
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    i tend to agree. Vitalogy is the best album if you only count the true songs. They are ALL very good. The playing and singing on this album is by far the best of any pj album.
  • Daron OshayDaron Oshay Middletown, NJ Posts: 2,581
    With the exception of stupid mop the others are excellent pieces that accompany the mood/flow of the album. They aren't songs per se. They are transitions.

    I think they make the album better.
  • YardenYarden Posts: 820
    i've always liked all those songs.. even stupid mop is sentimental for me.. in a strange way :?
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,972
    edited November 2013
    on2legs wrote:
    you discount Pry, to; Bugs; Aye Davanita; and Stupid Mop?

    Well if we're gonna discount those tracks, we might as well get rid of the liner notes and unique packaging too while we're at it. And the strange beginnings of Last Exit, Satan's Bed, Better Man need to go too. And none of this releasing the album two weeks early on vinyl either.

    As you can probably tell, I feel strongly against this thread topic.
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  • BantBant Millinowhere, ME Posts: 506
    Daron Oshay wrote:
    With the exception of stupid mop the others are excellent pieces that accompany the mood/flow of the album. They aren't songs per se. They are transitions.

    I think they make the album better.

    This.

    but No Code is their best album. Nothing else is close.
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    I like Vitalogy the way it is, but for me, Binaural is my favorite album. Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me is my least favorite song by the band, but where it's situated on the record, tape, or CD, it's easy enough to press stop or lift the needle after Immortality. It probably could have been left off, but the boys were experimenting. Sonically speaking, it's pretty interesting. Now that time has past, I bet they don't like it.

    For me Pry, To is the perfect beginning to Corduroy. Aye Davanita is 3 minutes of bliss. Bugs is Bugs.

    i got bugs, i got bugs in my room
    bugs in my bed
    bugs in my ears
    their eggs in my head
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    You could say that The Beatles SHOULD have left Revolution 9 or Honey Pie or Long Long Long off of The White album, and just concentrated on the "good" tunes, but that wouldn't be right.
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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,857
    I don't disagree with the argument to keep them on because that's the way the band intended the album to be heard.... But dropping those songs makes a great album... Dare I say it... EPIC :lol:
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  • october22october22 Posts: 2,533
    I disagree. I like all those songs and think they make Vitalogy better.
  • ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    I sort of like the fillers in there as transitions. If you're playing PJ in random mode than I agree they don't offer much out of context of the specific sequencing of Vitalogy.

    That was really about the first three. Stupid Mop could be removed for all I care as I never hear it anyway!

    Either way, I heart Vitalogy. 8-)
  • VeddernarianVeddernarian Posts: 1,924
    Stupid mop is to Vitalogy as that fake tattoo is to Celo Green's head
    Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
  • OffSheGoes76OffSheGoes76 Posts: 44
    My number one! I love Vitalogy.
    I don't mind the tracks you'd exclude.
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  • BN8419BN8419 Posts: 290
    ah. fiddlesticks!

    stupid mop for congress!!!
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,967
    It's the best as is 8-)
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  • smanchac1smanchac1 Posts: 2,256
    I say, remove bugs, stupid mop. But leave Aye Davanita and Pry, To.

    Pry to, if played backwards says "Pete Townsend saved my life" give it a spin!

    My perfect Vitalogy would be

    Side A

    Last Exit
    Spin TBC
    Not For You
    Tremor Christ
    Nothing Man
    Pry, To
    Whipping

    Side B

    Hard To Imagine
    Corduroy
    Hold On
    Satans Bed
    Betterman
    Immortality
    Aye Davantia (fade out)

    That's my personal track listing ;) let me know how you like it!
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,454
    I like those "filler" songs. And why does everyone hate Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's me?
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  • ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    igotid88 wrote:
    I like those "filler" songs. And why does everyone hate Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's me?

    For me, I guess it's the adolescent-aged-sounding girl asking to be spanked, I don't know :lol:

    (besides for just playing, I said SOUNDING btw, not accusing anyone of anything!)
  • fox_mulderXfox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    I don't really consider those songs or even filler; more like little experiments. Even with those 'experiments', Vitalogy is their best and most important album. They stripped everything they were and became something so unexpected. I'd put Vitalogy on the same level as Nevermind and OK Computer. It's just a great album.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited November 2013
    To add a little more to this...i didn't like Vitalogy the first few times i heard it. I guess i was hoping for a Rearviewmirror or Daughter Part 2. And there were no tracks that really sounded like either. But, like most PJ albums, it took a few listens and i was seriously addicted to this album.

    To this day when i hear songs like Corduroy and Betterman on the radio, I turn up the volume full blast. I don't any other songs that hold have that effect on me. This is the world's greatest rock band at their peek. I'm grateful for having been alive for this.

    Also, i'm mostly indifferent to the filler. I do think they kind of fit into the flow of the album somehow and i applaud the experimentalism. but, do i want to listen to stupid mop right now? no
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  • ladydocNYCladydocNYC Posts: 635
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    on2legs wrote:
    you discount Pry, to; Bugs; Aye Davanita; and Stupid Mop?

    Well if we're gonna discount those tracks, we might as well get rid of the liner notes and unique packaging too while we're at it. And the strange beginnings of Last Exit, Satan's Bed, Better Man need to go too. And none of this releasing the album two weeks early on vinyl either.

    As you can probably tell, I feel strongly against this thread topic.

    +1
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Vitalogy is my solid #2 favorite CD behind Yield. I wouldn't change a thing.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    I don't really consider those songs or even filler; more like little experiments. Even with those 'experiments', Vitalogy is their best and most important album. They stripped everything they were and became something so unexpected. I'd put Vitalogy on the same level as Nevermind and OK Computer. It's just a great album.
    Pearl jams first 5 albums were all better than ok computer.
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