(UPDATED) Trying to stay out of the Obamacare debate...

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
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    I wonder how much tax money was used to fund the geniuses behind this ad campaign?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    My god, those three look like complete maroons.

    And you know this marketing ploy went through a shitload of reviews and OK's. More than one or two people creamed themselves over such brilliance.

    I'm waiting on further incarnations of this new term...

    D'oh!-surance
    'fro-surance
    Toe-surance
    Whoa!-surance
    No-surance
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    They didn't want to be outdone by the idiots who did this one:

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Yeah...I bestow the creepy-as-fuck award on that one.

    Still idiocy on both fronts.
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Just as an update, I still haven't been able to sign up for shit, so I'm definitely going to have a lapse in coverage. And for what? Because the government thinks it knows better how I should spend my money? And back to whoever it was that was saying high deductible plans are shit...please do yourself a favor and take some basic economic courses.
  • Better Dan
    Better Dan Posts: 5,684
    "They were the ones who heard the promise, if you like what you’ve got you can keep it," he said, referring to people who are now receiving cancellation letters from insurers. "I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to these people and let them keep what they got." - Bill Clinton
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Better Dan wrote:
    "They were the ones who heard the promise, if you like what you’ve got you can keep it," he said, referring to people who are now receiving cancellation letters from insurers. "I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to these people and let them keep what they got." - Bill Clinton

    I'm probably the only, I guess I'd be labeled conservative :? that I know who actually liked Bill Clinton. Nice to see him stepping up.

    @ 4:03

    http://www.ozy.com/c-notes/assessing-the-healthcare-rollout-with-bill-clinton/3639.article

    As a side note...my wife and I have thought about just slashing our pay...that way we will be eligible for tax credits. We've found that we'd be better off financially if we actually just made less money. Who knew?
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Shawshank wrote:
    Better Dan wrote:
    "They were the ones who heard the promise, if you like what you’ve got you can keep it," he said, referring to people who are now receiving cancellation letters from insurers. "I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to these people and let them keep what they got." - Bill Clinton

    I'm probably the only, I guess I'd be labeled conservative :? that I know who actually liked Bill Clinton. Nice to see him stepping up.

    @ 4:03

    http://www.ozy.com/c-notes/assessing-the-healthcare-rollout-with-bill-clinton/3639.article

    As a side note...my wife and I have thought about just slashing our pay...that way we will be eligible for tax credits. We've found that we'd be better off financially if we actually just made less money. Who knew?


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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Shawshank wrote:
    As a side note...my wife and I have thought about just slashing our pay...that way we will be eligible for tax credits. We've found that we'd be better off financially if we actually just made less money. Who knew?

    I think your side note is the portion of your post that most directly communicates your message. Isn't this the same truth that has been professed since the very first anti-socialist clamoring began along time ago? If producers are penalized for producing, or if their fruits are unlawfully redistributed, they will simply stop producing. In school I heard it as a "curved grading" analogy. When the C students realize they will get Bs anyway, and the B students realize they will get As anyway, they will never strive for improvement. At the same time, the A students, after realizing they get nothing for their efforts,will likely revert to being B students or worse. B students will likely even become C students. The whole class is thus degraded.

    Obamacare is bad law trying to solve bad law. It is dishonest. The courts method of asserting its constitutionality was disingenuous. And, while I hate to side with right wing talk radio, I'm pretty sure they are dead right about the website "glitches" - purely intentional method of disabling people from discovering the true cost of the program by simply not allowing them to sign up. There can be no honest discourse on the ramifications, because those ramifications have been deliberately delayed in a most insidious way.
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I think your side note is the portion of your post that most directly communicates your message. Isn't this the same truth that has been professed since the very first anti-socialist clamoring began along time ago? If producers are penalized for producing, or if their fruits are unlawfully redistributed, they will simply stop producing. In school I heard it as a "curved grading" analogy. When the C students realize they will get Bs anyway, and the B students realize they will get As anyway, they will never strive for improvement. At the same time, the A students, after realizing they get nothing for their efforts,will likely revert to being B students or worse. B students will likely even become C students. The whole class is thus degraded.

    Obamacare is bad law trying to solve bad law. It is dishonest. The courts method of asserting its constitutionality was disingenuous. And, while I hate to side with right wing talk radio, I'm pretty sure they are dead right about the website "glitches" - purely intentional method of disabling people from discovering the true cost of the program by simply not allowing them to sign up. There can be no honest discourse on the ramifications, because those ramifications have been deliberately delayed in a most insidious way.

    It's no joke. Everything you said is spot on, and I was dead serious. We've put pen to paper and when you consider the savings in taxes, the credits you get, the healthcare savings, and we have 2 kids so there's earned income credit, we could slash our pay by a ton and actually still end up having the same disposable income. Not to mention, our business saves a ton of money, by not having to pay in so much payroll tax. It's like win-win-win. It's so fucked up, and people who don't know any better or are just hell bent on making the "rich" pay their fair share, just lap it up. The extra money I pay myself actually does nothing for me. I pay more in taxes, my business pays more taxes, I'll pay more in healthcare and I won't see any of it credited back to me. So I'd rather just pay myself the bare minimum, and then I can just put the surplus that would have gone to me, back into my business and write off the money for new equipment, improvements, advertising, etc. instead. What a fucked up world we live in where paying yourself less actually makes more financial sense. :roll:
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Better Dan wrote:
    "They were the ones who heard the promise, if you like what you’ve got you can keep it," he said, referring to people who are now receiving cancellation letters from insurers. "I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to these people and let them keep what they got." - Bill Clinton
    If Obama follows Clinton's advice, the insurance companies are going to freak the fuck out. I think it's too late for that. Plus that would destroy the infrastructure on how the plan would fund itself.

    Obama should call Doc Brown to see if he can go back in time and let Cruz get his way. Or maybe chanting the words "Klaatu, Barada, Nikto" will help.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Shawshank wrote:
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I think your side note is the portion of your post that most directly communicates your message. Isn't this the same truth that has been professed since the very first anti-socialist clamoring began along time ago? If producers are penalized for producing, or if their fruits are unlawfully redistributed, they will simply stop producing. In school I heard it as a "curved grading" analogy. When the C students realize they will get Bs anyway, and the B students realize they will get As anyway, they will never strive for improvement. At the same time, the A students, after realizing they get nothing for their efforts,will likely revert to being B students or worse. B students will likely even become C students. The whole class is thus degraded.

    Obamacare is bad law trying to solve bad law. It is dishonest. The courts method of asserting its constitutionality was disingenuous. And, while I hate to side with right wing talk radio, I'm pretty sure they are dead right about the website "glitches" - purely intentional method of disabling people from discovering the true cost of the program by simply not allowing them to sign up. There can be no honest discourse on the ramifications, because those ramifications have been deliberately delayed in a most insidious way.

    It's no joke. Everything you said is spot on, and I was dead serious. We've put pen to paper and when you consider the savings in taxes, the credits you get, the healthcare savings, and we have 2 kids so there's earned income credit, we could slash our pay by a ton and actually still end up having the same disposable income. Not to mention, our business saves a ton of money, by not having to pay in so much payroll tax. It's like win-win-win. It's so fucked up, and people who don't know any better or are just hell bent on making the "rich" pay their fair share, just lap it up. The extra money I pay myself actually does nothing for me. I pay more in taxes, my business pays more taxes, I'll pay more in healthcare and I won't see any of it credited back to me. So I'd rather just pay myself the bare minimum, and then I can just put the surplus that would have gone to me, back into my business and write off the money for new equipment, improvements, advertising, etc. instead. What a fucked up world we live in where paying yourself less actually makes more financial sense. :roll:
    Pretty much with you both. Just so fucked upside-down.

    Shawshank, continued good wishes to you and your wife, and anyone else in this sad position.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    100,000 have registered (but not completed) on Obamacare.

    5,000,000 have had their policies cancelled under Obamacare.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Of the 100,000, only 27,000 were registered under federal exchanges that through 2014 have $2,500,000,000 taxpayer dollars earmarked to fund the federal exchanges. Obama needed to average 39,000 per day to meet his 2/15/14 goal.

    Close to 400,000 were registered under Medicaid, which is now considered part of the ACA. Insurance companies have to be freaking out as much as red-state dems and those that make over $49,500 per year (1 percenters?). The burden to fund this plan is being placed on the middle-class and kids that like to do keg stands and have casual sex. What could go wrong?

    My Magic 8-Ball has just delivered me a new message! Behold ... we will have to endure a similar mess one year from now when the one-year exemption on businesses ends!!!
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    In case anyone forgot, we are 61 days away from our next government shutdown.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    What I can't fathom is that he said everyone could keep their plan, yet it's his OWN legislation that has outlawed these millions of plans. It's not just the insurance companies just dropping people for the heck of it. They are dropping them because HIS LAW outlawed them.

    If that's not a complete model for incompetence, I don't know what is.

    For me, this health insurance law disaster is the worst thing I've seen come out of our government in awhile and that's saying something.

    And maybe this isn't news to anyone else, but I'm a bit slow on getting the details since they make me so angry when I hear them that I don't go out looking for them.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Jason P wrote:
    In case anyone forgot, we are 61 days away from our next government shutdown.

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    I hope it is farther reaching and much more extended than this last hiccup.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    unsung wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    In case anyone forgot, we are 61 days away from our next government shutdown.

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    I hope it is farther reaching and much more extended than this last hiccup.
    I wonder if the federal healthcare exchanges will be considered an essential government program?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    So are the cancelled policies automatically reinstated and if so, at their previous rates?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    hedonist wrote:
    So are the cancelled policies automatically reinstated and if so, at their previous rates?
    No.
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