Yeah, I'm sure the rest of the band was just dying to get one of Ed's uke songs on the album.
Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
I think Future Days is this records equivalent to SoS, only SoS was palatable after they finished it.
With SoS they were trying to make it fit the brighter happier musical them of Backspacer, when it was clearly calling out for something more atmospheric.
I can only assume, they were trying to get some of their Celine Dion influence on record with Future Days.
Sleeping By Myself, here, is 10x the song to what appeared on Pukulele Songs.
Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
If you think this band is a democracy you haven't been paying attention. There's been an Ed solo song on each of the last 3 albums. You think this was by accident?
Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
If you think this band is a democracy you haven't been paying attention. There's been an Ed solo song on each of the last 3 albums. You think this was by accident?
unless Ed played all the music on the song then the band must have agreed to play it.
of course this is all meaningless unless we actually hear the band talk about how they don't like that there have been some Ed solo songs on their records. we are all just assuming.
Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
If you think this band is a democracy you haven't been paying attention. There's been an Ed solo song on each of the last 3 albums. You think this was by accident?
Of course it is not a democracy. But Ed pushing to get one of his Uke songs on the record is a lot different than BoB dictating to the band what will be on the record.
If you ever watch the Joy of Painting with Bob Ross, you might notice at the end he's like "Here's the test, lets do something crazy.." and he puts a big ass tree right down the middle of the beautiful scenic mountain range... well this was going to be a Brendan O'brien analogy, but now I'm lost...
If you ever watch the Joy of Painting with Bob Ross, you might notice at the end he's like "Here's the test, lets do something crazy.." and he puts a big ass tree right down the middle of the beautiful scenic mountain range... well this was going to be a Brendan O'brien analogy, but now I'm lost...
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If you ever watch the Joy of Painting with Bob Ross, you might notice at the end he's like "Here's the test, lets do something crazy.." and he puts a big ass tree right down the middle of the beautiful scenic mountain range... well this was going to be a Brendan O'brien analogy, but now I'm lost...
Bob Ross really did do that a lot... and every time I'd be like, "Noooo! You just ruined it!! It was perfect before you did that!" :fp:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
If you think this band is a democracy you haven't been paying attention. There's been an Ed solo song on each of the last 3 albums. You think this was by accident?
Of course it is not a democracy. But Ed pushing to get one of his Uke songs on the record is a lot different than BoB dictating to the band what will be on the record.
I don't think BoB dictates, but I think he holds a lot of influence over the band and they trust him. And I wish they didn't.
I don't hate record producers or songs that have piano's on them or albums that end with piano outro's , i hate assholes i hate traffic jams i hate people who feel entitled i hate homofobic racist's i hate bullies i hate bad parents i hate guns i hate anybody who hates .......oh i hate people who think they know how to make a great record even though they've never sniffed the inside of a recording studio ....I think that covers everybody here :wave:
I don't hate record producers or songs that have piano's on them or albums that end with piano outro's , i hate assholes i hate traffic jams i hate people who feel entitled i hate homofobic racist's i hate bullies i hate bad parents i hate guns i hate anybody who hates .......oh i hate people who think they know how to make a great record even though they've never sniffed the inside of a recording studio ....I think that covers everybody here :wave:
I don't hate record producers or songs that have piano's on them or albums that end with piano outro's , i hate assholes i hate traffic jams i hate people who feel entitled i hate homofobic racist's i hate bullies i hate bad parents i hate guns i hate anybody who hates .......oh i hate people who think they know how to make a great record even though they've never sniffed the inside of a recording studio ....I think that covers everybody here :wave:
Well said and
Off course none of this was meant towards you mi amigo
jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
If you think this band is a democracy you haven't been paying attention. There's been an Ed solo song on each of the last 3 albums. You think this was by accident?
um, that's totally normal for a lead singer to write an entire song on his own, if not a few (look at Cornell). it's not easy writing lyrics for someone else and making it fit their style of singing. most singers are comfortable singing their own lyrics; Ed and Cornell are two of the very few that sing lyrics written by other band members.
take away the lyrics, and each band member is pretty much equally represented with songs they have brought in nearly complete on the last few albums. how many bands use songs written by the fucking drummer???
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Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
If you think this band is a democracy you haven't been paying attention. There's been an Ed solo song on each of the last 3 albums. You think this was by accident?
um, that's totally normal for a lead singer to write an entire song on his own, if not a few (look at Cornell). it's not easy writing lyrics for someone else and making it fit their style of singing. most singers are comfortable singing their own lyrics; Ed and Cornell are two of the very few that sing lyrics written by other band members.
take away the lyrics, and each band member is pretty much equally represented with songs they have brought in nearly complete on the last few albums. how many bands use songs written by the fucking drummer???
If you think I'm talking about the lyrics then you've missed the point.
I don't hate record producers or songs that have piano's on them or albums that end with piano outro's , i hate assholes i hate traffic jams i hate people who feel entitled i hate homofobic racist's i hate bullies i hate bad parents i hate guns i hate anybody who hates .......oh i hate people who think they know how to make a great record even though they've never sniffed the inside of a recording studio ....I think that covers everybody here :wave:
Well said and
Off course none of this was meant towards you mi amigo
I don't get the hate either. If you don't like a song or 2 skip it. If you don't like the order of the songs change them. I wish PJ would never had started putting filler songs in their releases as it created something negative for people to latch onto and it seems it won't let them appreciate the good songs? Every artist can spoil their fan base when they put out a record or 2 with no bad songs but for Christ sake that is a rarity. Chill out already.
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ED said, “We’re gonna try out another new one on you,” he said. “We’ve got a guest who helped us make this new record. His name’s Mr. Brendan O’Brien. We’ve made all our records with him just about. He’s over there on the keyboards in left field — No. 22, Mr. Brendan O’Brien.” The love song is almost a lullaby it’s so tender. :fp:
I actually just think this "hater" label is really misguided and unfair. So some people think, for various reasons, that the band needs a change from BoB or that BoB is skewing what the band can do. All of a sudden they are all full of hate??? I just think it's a legitimate opinion. I don't think hate even comes into it. I mean come on.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I actually just think this "hater" label is really misguided and unfair. So some people think, for various reasons, that the band needs a change from BoB. All of a sudden they are all full of hate??? I just think it's a legitimate opinion. I don't think hate even comes into it. I mean come on.
I think it's only a legitimate opinion if they know exactly what he is and isn't responsible for.
I actually just think this "hater" label is really misguided and unfair. So some people think, for various reasons, that the band needs a change from BoB. All of a sudden they are all full of hate??? I just think it's a legitimate opinion. I don't think hate even comes into it. I mean come on.
Soul, I have a picture of Brendan O'Brien tacked up on my wall in the corner. I sit in my chair and hate-stare at that poster for minutes on end, until my veins start to boil, my flesh turns purple and I only stop when I feel I'm going to pop.
Then I turn on Riot Act
And so you see, I have come to doubt All that I once held as true I stand alone without beliefs The only truth I know is you.
I actually just think this "hater" label is really misguided and unfair. So some people think, for various reasons, that the band needs a change from BoB. All of a sudden they are all full of hate??? I just think it's a legitimate opinion. I don't think hate even comes into it. I mean come on.
I think it's only a legitimate opinion if they know exactly what he is and isn't responsible for.
I guess, but I think plenty of people DO have a pretty good idea of what he is or isn't responsible for. It's not like it's an unanswerable riddle.... I.e. it's pretty easy to know if you like or dislike the way the album is mastered and mixed, pretty easy to recognize a pattern in his work, and pretty easy to listen to or read interviews where BoB's influence is made fairly clear.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I actually just think this "hater" label is really misguided and unfair. So some people think, for various reasons, that the band needs a change from BoB. All of a sudden they are all full of hate??? I just think it's a legitimate opinion. I don't think hate even comes into it. I mean come on.
Soul, I have a picture of Brendan O'Brien tacked up on my wall in the corner. I sit in my chair and hate-stare at that poster for minutes on end, until my veins start to boil, my flesh turns purple and I only stop when I feel I'm going to pop.
Then I turn on Riot Act
I stand corrected!!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
If you ever watch the Joy of Painting with Bob Ross, you might notice at the end he's like "Here's the test, lets do something crazy.." and he puts a big ass tree right down the middle of the beautiful scenic mountain range... well this was going to be a Brendan O'brien analogy, but now I'm lost...
Bob Ross really did do that a lot... and every time I'd be like, "Noooo! You just ruined it!! It was perfect before you did that!" :fp:
See? Someone could say that's what BoB does... Sometimes that tree is awesome..sometimes is just in the way.
If you think I'm talking about the lyrics then you've missed the point.
I didn't think you were, but that was my point. if you don't pay attention to lyric writing, then EVERY member has been equally represented with "solo" songs on each album besides maybe Vitalogy. So your point is moo.
Like a cow's opinion.
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If you think I'm talking about the lyrics then you've missed the point.
I didn't think you were, but that was my point. if you don't pay attention to lyric writing, then EVERY member has been equally represented with "solo" songs on each album besides maybe Vitalogy. So your point is moo.
Like a cow's opinion.
And I'd prefer my Eddie written Pearl Jam songs to have the full band in mind, not one that has already been released under his solo ukelele project...at the apparent advice of BoB.
Why are the last notes of the album delivered by BoB? I'd rather hear Mike's guitar, or Eddie's voice. I do love the album, was just turned off by hearing that terrible outro by someone not even in the band.
Why are the last notes of the album delivered by BoB? I'd rather hear Mike's guitar, or Eddie's voice. I do love the album, was just turned off by hearing that terrible outro by someone not even in the band.
Love the album, but yeah, that REALLY is a terrible fucking outro. It was awful at Wrigley, and it sucks on the album too. Why not at least just use a real piano????
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Yeah, not crazy about it (his production). As a whole I think the album is better than Backspacer on first listen, but there is definitely too much of BoB around it. The schmaltz of Sirens, the schmaltz of Future Days, the Train-esque breakdown/rearrangement of Sleeping By Myself (which is one of the, if not the, favorite song of mine from Uke Songs), and the whee-oo-whee-oooh-whee space sounds on Lightning Bolt... that's a good song, I don't know why someone thought it needed cheesy synth sounds on it for no reason. Would have been fine without them.
I agree with many of the criticisms you have written, but I disagree with the Lightning Bolt synth criticism. Lightning Bolt (the song) sounds very "Who-ish" to me and I feel the synth sound they have on that prechorus part goes really well with it. Pete Townshend embraced synths and I feel that if they're done right they can contribute something cool. The synth part on the studio version was one of the things that made me like the song (I wasn't too impressed by the live version).
Why are the last notes of the album delivered by BoB? I'd rather hear Mike's guitar, or Eddie's voice. I do love the album, was just turned off by hearing that terrible outro by someone not even in the band.
Love the album, but yeah, that REALLY is a terrible fucking outro. It was awful at Wrigley, and it sucks on the album too. Why not at least just use a real piano????
All of this. Just a strange way to close things out.
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Do you really think the band is that powerless? I don't. I think BoB ruined Speed of Sound on the last record and Sleeping By Myself seems to be this record's equivalent. But there is no way he can force the band into putting anything on the record.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I think Future Days is this records equivalent to SoS, only SoS was palatable after they finished it.
With SoS they were trying to make it fit the brighter happier musical them of Backspacer, when it was clearly calling out for something more atmospheric.
I can only assume, they were trying to get some of their Celine Dion influence on record with Future Days.
Sleeping By Myself, here, is 10x the song to what appeared on Pukulele Songs.
unless Ed played all the music on the song then the band must have agreed to play it.
of course this is all meaningless unless we actually hear the band talk about how they don't like that there have been some Ed solo songs on their records. we are all just assuming.
Of course it is not a democracy. But Ed pushing to get one of his Uke songs on the record is a lot different than BoB dictating to the band what will be on the record.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Well said and
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Off course none of this was meant towards you mi amigo
um, that's totally normal for a lead singer to write an entire song on his own, if not a few (look at Cornell). it's not easy writing lyrics for someone else and making it fit their style of singing. most singers are comfortable singing their own lyrics; Ed and Cornell are two of the very few that sing lyrics written by other band members.
take away the lyrics, and each band member is pretty much equally represented with songs they have brought in nearly complete on the last few albums. how many bands use songs written by the fucking drummer???
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No offense taken here. I legit laughed out loud!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I think it's only a legitimate opinion if they know exactly what he is and isn't responsible for.
Then I turn on Riot Act
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
I didn't think you were, but that was my point. if you don't pay attention to lyric writing, then EVERY member has been equally represented with "solo" songs on each album besides maybe Vitalogy. So your point is moo.
Like a cow's opinion.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I agree with many of the criticisms you have written, but I disagree with the Lightning Bolt synth criticism. Lightning Bolt (the song) sounds very "Who-ish" to me and I feel the synth sound they have on that prechorus part goes really well with it. Pete Townshend embraced synths and I feel that if they're done right they can contribute something cool. The synth part on the studio version was one of the things that made me like the song (I wasn't too impressed by the live version).
All of this. Just a strange way to close things out.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."