Okay... So where are all the Brendan O'Brien haters now?

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  • jtr101
    jtr101 Posts: 270
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    and after listening to the while album for the fist time, my first reaction is to get rid of the fucking piano/keyboards all together. Later boom. it was nice knowing ya.


    Ouch.. No way....

    Replacement player for the Keys:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ
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  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,632
    JimmyV wrote:
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    I absolutely love the keys in FD. In fact, that song perfectly sums up the album, and in order to do that, they needed something different for them.

    The whole album is about death, destruction, dealing with life while death is all around.....

    FD was the only ending for this album, and the keys are the only ending for that song.

    So the only ending for the song which is the only ending for the album needed to be played by someone not in the band? Strange. I'm not hating on the song, I like the song, I just don't like the piano-by-producer outro to close the record.


    The band changes as they age, much like....everything.

    I have no problem with BoB playing the piano on this. He played the organ on Betterman. He played keys on No Code. Even ed called him "the sixth member of pearl jam" on occasion.

    So, as long as boom can play those parts, I have no problem with Brendan steering Boom in the right direction.
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  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,632
    jtr101 wrote:
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    and after listening to the while album for the fist time, my first reaction is to get rid of the fucking piano/keyboards all together. Later boom. it was nice knowing ya.


    Ouch.. No way....

    Replacement player for the Keys:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ


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  • marjen
    marjen CT Posts: 808
    WOw whats with all the hate. I think this album is tremendous. My least favorite PJ records are riot act and binural. Neither done by BOB. There is some great material on this record, and I happen to like Future days, keys and all.
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,632
    marjen wrote:
    WOw whats with all the hate. I think this album is tremendous. My least favorite PJ records are riot act and binural. Neither done by BOB. There is some great material on this record, and I happen to like Future days, keys and all.


    Agreed. In fact, I think Future Days should have been the 2nd single. (although I like Sirens too)
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  • TheLuckyOnes
    TheLuckyOnes Posts: 477
    Brendan is the man. I have complete confidence in him, especially after hearing LB, but felt the same way about BS really. The albums without him are missing the little bit extra that totally matters from a studio recording (RA Ed sounds tired, Binaural is a audio mess despite the aim). The band can take it over the top live, but in the studio you need something to make the exact effect take hold.

    and as far as keyboards, he can absolutely play, write, or arrange things that Boom cannot. I don't know if he wrote the FD piano part or not, but he was the one guy in the studio who can play it properly. Same as Gremmie out of Control; he played the lead guitar part because Mike & Stone couldn't. It doesn't matter that Grem was a giveaway single and FD is an album closer; the band needed and asked him to play that, to get the song to where they wanted it to go.

    Remember, he has produced dozens of hit records by some of the biggest rock acts in history. He doesn't "want to join Pearl Jam". He wants them to make records that show the world that they are one of the biggest acts in rock history.

    And mission accomplished, says me.

    cheers!!!
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,632
    TheLuckyOnes wrote:
    Brendan is the man. I have complete confidence in him, especially after hearing LB, but felt the same way about BS really. The albums without him are missing the little bit extra that totally matters from a studio recording (RA Ed sounds tired, Binaural is a audio mess despite the aim). The band can take it over the top live, but in the studio you need something to make the exact effect take hold.

    and as far as keyboards, he can absolutely play, write, or arrange things that Boom cannot. I don't know if he wrote the FD piano part or not, but he was the one guy in the studio who can play it properly. Same as Gremmie out of Control; he played the lead guitar part because Mike & Stone couldn't. It doesn't matter that Grem was a giveaway single and FD is an album closer; the band needed and asked him to play that, to get the song to where they wanted it to go.

    Remember, he has produced dozens of hit records by some of the biggest rock acts in history. He doesn't "want to join Pearl Jam". He wants them to make records that show the world that they are one of the biggest acts in rock history.

    And mission accomplished, says me.

    cheers!!!
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  • DiRtYyELLoWoCeAn
    DiRtYyELLoWoCeAn Medford, Ma Posts: 1,605
    JimmyV wrote:
    I really like the softer stuff on this record. Blown away by Yellow Moon in a way I wasn't expecting. Enjoyed Future Days too which after Wrigley I wasn't sure I would. That said...

    ...the piano outro bothers me. This is a good, potentially great, PJ record and it ends with a BOB piano solo. That bothers me for some reason. If it was Boom it wouldn't bother me at all. I understand this might not sound entirely rational and that many will disagree.


    Spot ON.
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  • jtr101
    jtr101 Posts: 270
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    jtr101 wrote:
    Vedd Hedd wrote:

    Ouch.. No way....

    Replacement player for the Keys:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ


    Its not your cup of tea.


    I'm just kidding around...haha... i like the album as a whole. The keys though on FD are totally unnecessary in my opinion though. The song sounded pretty cool when ed was playing it on the beach in the short film.
    Enjoy difference. Without it we're all boring!

  • BeerBaron
    BeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,100
    In general, this album has that over-produced/heavily-polished Brendan O'Brien feel to it. That said, overall I think he's done a good job with the songs. I am really digging most of them after 2 listens.

    My only two real complaints however are:

    1. Sleeping By Myself. What a waste of space.

    2. Future days. This song had potential to be a really nice closer but the keyboards are just terrible. They almost go as far as to ruin the song. They are overdone at the beginning and completely unnecessary at the end of the song.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Threads like this suck so much. They encourage and somewhat celebrate "haters"
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,615
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Threads like this suck so much. They encourage and somewhat celebrate "haters"

    Don't hate on the thread dude. ;)
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    JimmyV wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Threads like this suck so much. They encourage and somewhat celebrate "haters"

    Don't hate on the thread dude. ;)

    Don't hate that I'm hating on this promotion of hate.
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  • TJ25487
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    JimmyV wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Threads like this suck so much. They encourage and somewhat celebrate "haters"

    Don't hate on the thread dude. ;)

    Ok you two. I'm only going to say this once: Mind Your Manners! :lol:
  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,869
    Soulfire42 wrote:
    BN8419 wrote:
    One is still right here. Call me a hater, whatever, my hand is raised.

    Many examples of this opinion-

    1) Who in their right mind puts Sirens after that abrupt end to MFS? Crazy. Kills the momentum and takes away from Sirens. Put it after Swallowed Whole where it can breathe. You know, so it can catch it's breath to breathe...

    2) SBM is a xmas single. Plain and simple. Way out of place here. Just idiotic. I kinda like it in and of itself, but no way it fits on this album. No way.

    3) Just stop it with the pianos on FD. Just start after the intro piano and stop before the outro piano, the song works 3x better. It actually becomes a beautiful song without distraction.

    4) Pendulum is the best piece of music this band has produced in over a decade, probably since Binaural. Just shows how good Backspacer might have been without it being a return to pop, with sugary B o'B fingerprints. These guys still have it in them, stop and think where they would go if they didn't have another influence that is basically the 6th/7th band member? There's a reason why they look at Boom as a touring member, not a writing member.

    Now, I will give a little credit, for the rest of the songs, I think this album is much better produced than S/T, night and day better, even. But some of the decisions that B o'B has been a part of on the last two records are just mind-boggling.

    I pretty much agree with everything above.

    me too.

    SBM doesn't fit. Future Days is ripe with fromage.
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  • snipes824
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    on2legs wrote:
    There was a lot of hate for BoB floating around the board... just wondering if anyone changed their mind after listening to the live stream?
    He let Sleeping By Myself on this album. :nono:
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    snipes824 wrote:
    on2legs wrote:
    There was a lot of hate for BoB floating around the board... just wondering if anyone changed their mind after listening to the live stream?
    He let Sleeping By Myself on this album. :nono:

    so did the band.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,615
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Threads like this suck so much. They encourage and somewhat celebrate "haters"

    Don't hate on the thread dude. ;)

    Don't hate that I'm hating on this promotion of hate.

    :D
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  • snipes824
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    fife wrote:
    snipes824 wrote:
    on2legs wrote:
    There was a lot of hate for BoB floating around the board... just wondering if anyone changed their mind after listening to the live stream?
    He let Sleeping By Myself on this album. :nono:

    so did the band.
    Yeah, I'm sure the rest of the band was just dying to get one of Ed's uke songs on the album.
  • DewieCox
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    fife wrote:
    snipes824 wrote:
    on2legs wrote:
    There was a lot of hate for BoB floating around the board... just wondering if anyone changed their mind after listening to the live stream?
    He let Sleeping By Myself on this album. :nono:

    so did the band.

    Not "so did the band" but "no, the band did".


    I think they were trying to make Future Days different from The End and in the process over cheesed it. The whole thing feels like a Celine Dion song. I can't totally lay the blame on BOb, even though he played the piano. They all, as a group and producer, should've agreed to cut it imo. It would've made that last run of mellow songs, which is a song too long a little shorter and kept one of the worst songs in PJ history off the album.

    I think the album as a whole is expertly mixed and a vast improvement over Backspacer and S/T sonically. Gotta give props to BOb for that and making sure each members parts laid together in a way that didn't mud things up.

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