GreenPeace Activists detained

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  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    LL624 wrote:
    About time GreenPeace pushed away their lobster dinners and did something! Seriously....GreenPeace activists are barely even activists....well, until now. Welcome to the show GP!

    Agreed Greenpeace is a joke
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    LL624 wrote:
    About time GreenPeace pushed away their lobster dinners and did something! Seriously....GreenPeace activists are barely even activists....well, until now. Welcome to the show GP!

    Agreed Greenpeace is a joke

    Why do you two feel this way?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    It's irritating as hell to read unsubstantiated disparaging comments about an organization like Greenpeace when some of it's members are risking their necks to save our asses.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    edited October 2013
    Edit... rather than bad mouth these people, what about talking about what does work? Ways we can lessen our impact on the oceans. How we can make organizations like Greenpeace more effective. The ocean are a vital organ of this planet. Take out the lungs or the heart and the body dies. Let the oceans die, we die.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    I have no disparaging remarks to make about Greenpeace. I just think these particular protestors made some tactical errors and are now paying the price. Their cause may be a worthy one but this image

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    is not the picture of a peaceful protest in my mind. Black ski masks, storming a structure...there actions were a lot closer to piracy then I imagined they were upon first hearing this story.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    JimmyV wrote:
    I have no disparaging remarks to make about Greenpeace. I just think these particular protestors made some tactical errors and are now paying the price. Their cause may be a worthy one but this image

    _70091901_70091196.jpg

    is not the picture of a peaceful protest in my mind. Black ski masks, storming a structure...there actions were a lot closer to piracy then I imagined they were upon first hearing this story.

    JimmyV, piracy is theft. These guys are not out to steal, they're out to defend the oceans from the real thieves, the real thugs who care more about greed and power than about having a healthy planet on which to live. If our country were being attacked and we defended it, no one here would object. Well... same thing only different here.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    brianlux wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    I have no disparaging remarks to make about Greenpeace. I just think these particular protestors made some tactical errors and are now paying the price. Their cause may be a worthy one but this image

    _70091901_70091196.jpg

    is not the picture of a peaceful protest in my mind. Black ski masks, storming a structure...there actions were a lot closer to piracy then I imagined they were upon first hearing this story.

    JimmyV, piracy is theft. These guys are not out to steal, they're out to defend the oceans from the real thieves, the real thugs who care more about greed and power than about having a healthy planet on which to live. If our country were being attacked and we defended it, no one here would object. Well... same thing only different here.

    I'm just not sure this was the best way to go about defending the planet though. But they did get their cause into the news so maybe it was.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    JimmyV wrote:

    I'm just not sure this was the best way to go about defending the planet though. But they did get their cause into the news so maybe it was.

    I wish I knew myself, JimmyV, I really do.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    They have been pulling stunts like this for so long without any real blowback ... with the exception of when France blew their boat up, sunk it, and killed a few of the crew ... that I don't think anyone really thought they would still be in Russia at this point in time, less yet a prison cell considering they did the same stunt a year ago. I feel sorry for them.

    I think there is a 20% chance Russia is trying to scare them and send a message, or that a savy Putin will at one point in time pardon them to help bolster his fake image to the world. And there is an 80% chance that they will speak fluent russian in the next several years.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i believe the charges to be excessively harsh but then again - this is Russia and these activists needed to at least know this was a possibility ...

    these activists are an absolutely necessity ... the environmental movement is a failure in general however, it doesn't mean the work should stop ... ultimately, we need the radicals ... as long as no lives are hurt - i am in favour of most of their primary acts of civil disobedience ... it not only raises awareness but it's also the radicals that allow the moderates to make headway ... these actions allow other groups and organizations with a more moderate voice appear relatively open and they can get some actual change done ...

    it is absolutely tragic that the environmental movement has been politicized so much that people lose sight over the fact that pretty much every environmental cause benefits the whole and really the only people that suffer from environmental sustainability are greedy assholes in $10,000 suits ...

    i hope these activists will be remembered for their work and sacrifice ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Jason P wrote:
    I think there is a 20% chance Russia is trying to scare them and send a message, or that a savy Putin will at one point in time pardon them to help bolster his fake image to the world. And there is an 80% chance that they will speak fluent russian in the next several years.
    I think their odds just went down to 1% on getting freedom ... The Soviets are pressing additional charges ...

    http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-greenpeace-activists-face-charges-002736589.html

    Moscow (AFP) - Russian investigators said Wednesday several of the 30 Greenpeace activists already charged with piracy over their Arctic oil drilling protest were set to face additional charges for "other grave crimes".

    The Moscow-based Investigative Committee said the authorities had found "narcotic substances" on the Dutch-flagged Arctic Sunrise ship detained by Russia.

    They added that some of the equipment on the vessel was of "dual purpose" and "could have been used not just for ecological purposes".

    Investigators also said that they were working to determine who exactly "rammed coast guard motor boats on purpose, preventing border guards from fulfilling their duties" and putting their life and health at risk.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    So well said, polaris_x. These people are rightly called eco-warriors, not because they put others in harms way but because they put themselves in harm's way to save the rest of our sorry asses. Groups like Greenpeace, Sea Shepherds and Earth First! are widely misunderstood and they are vital in, as you say, making the moderate voices appear more acceptable. I think Dave Foreman said this somewhere as well. And he is another very much misunderstood activist- a brave champion of environmental activism.
    polaris_x wrote:
    i believe the charges to be excessively harsh but then again - this is Russia and these activists needed to at least know this was a possibility ...

    these activists are an absolutely necessity ... the environmental movement is a failure in general however, it doesn't mean the work should stop ... ultimately, we need the radicals ... as long as no lives are hurt - i am in favour of most of their primary acts of civil disobedience ... it not only raises awareness but it's also the radicals that allow the moderates to make headway ... these actions allow other groups and organizations with a more moderate voice appear relatively open and they can get some actual change done ...

    it is absolutely tragic that the environmental movement has been politicized so much that people lose sight over the fact that pretty much every environmental cause benefits the whole and really the only people that suffer from environmental sustainability are greedy assholes in $10,000 suits ...

    i hope these activists will be remembered for their work and sacrifice ...
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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