Screw It.

october22 wrote:

PU38569 wrote:

so do you 'get' sirens now?

oneofusoneofus

kidding

i'll be the first guy to hate on the hastily-composed faux punky style of much of the studio PJ of the last couple albums - but this song does actually bring something different to the table. what a lot of people are interpreting as commercial cheese I see more as a maturer PJ; now that said, I wouldn't want this type of song to represent everything they do from now on, and from their perspective, i do not believe it will either; but I do think it has its place among the time-tested tracks in the live show catalogue. it has genuine soul. they finally sound like they have recorded a 'new' song that is not rushing through itself.

now obviosuly if you're into Tool and you're in the market right now primarily for the hard stuff this genre may just be a giant reach altogether.

but this is definitely in the top 15 of the 1600 love songs ed has written as of late

assuming they don't rush through this live (Matt seems to have a tendency to apply the same single overly upbeat tempo to every PJ song performed live these days) this could bring the house down. the live video perfomance ending is pretty bold. all 5 members stand with this song.

I am not a believer in loving everything a band produces, just because they are that band. but I actually like this version of PJ, it fits their maturity level - there is nothing forced here, no posturing, trying to be something they are not - and to the contrary they tell you very much something deep about who they currently are. this is a team-effort track. its not driven by any one person in particular, everyone's giving a modest amount throughout this song and it complements each other's contributions well.

i have shitted all over BOB on this board but it looks like he had a fairly significant hand in arranging this / turning this from a few powerful yet disparate ideas into a well integrated, understated interplay between all members.

I just hope the same level of intense focus that is very apparent in the music video is applied to this consistently on tour. It would be a shame to see this fast-tracked into yet another rushed, detail-less live version of a once measured, contemplative PJ song (see: sometimes, off he goes). but that hasn't happened yet so can't get stuck in a hater hole (yet) on that!!

on a different note - where does this song go in a live setlist??? like the slow-down after the first 3-4-5 fast ones? ending the first setlist? I mean, how do you follow this ending? slamming into Habit?

Wow. Thanks for writing this. I was going to slim down the quote but I couldn't. I agree with it all completely.

Yes, while I am eagerly anticipating some new Tool and fuckin' Mastodon records, PJ is what I care most about. I talked some shit on Sirens but it was mostly because I just have different expectations from this band. I've gotten into it now though.. It will never be one of my favorite songs but it's certainly not a bad song by any measure. For me, it's the damn melodrama of the production that hurts it most so obviously live I think it will really hit it's stride (as is somewhat evident from the video). I agree about not rushing it live. They even blew through MYM at Wrigley and it was pretty uncomfortable to watch let alone for Ed to sing.

As for Sirens placement, I see it as the second song in the second set.

Oh, and I had a dream that I heard the rest of Getaway and I think it's awesome