Contrarians may finally agree we are changing the climate

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

    who's denying, Brian? one could argue that the whole point of this thread was argumentative and provocative.

    I'm truly sorry if it came across that way, Hugh. I never thought of it that way. To tell you the truth, when I saw this article my thought was, "Wow, even climate deniers are finally getting the message. That's great!" This struck me as very positive. The first step toward change is recognition of the problem. (And taking action is the most important step.)

    So in all sincerity, I hope for something good to come out of this. I sincerely hope that the problem is being recognized. I sincerely hope we start taking action- not for my benefit- I'll be a dead old buzzard before the worst of this shit hits the fan- but for the sake of those sweet faces that are my "kids"- my step daughter and my godchildren and nephews and great nephews and nieces and my friend's kids, my students from the past and your kids. They will be the ones to have to deal with the refuse of our inaction.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    any idea on what steps would have to be taken in order to significantly decrease the effects of the greenhouse effect? I mean, politically speaking, it seems like no one is taking the lead, and not one major superpower seems to be even showing that they care one bit.

    you mean outside of actually stop continuing to pump more ghg into the atmosphere? ... if so, you can't ... we can't continue to operate in a world without consequences ... we see that all around us ... want to take someone's resources and oppress them? ... well, eventually people fight back ... we expend energy and resources like it's limitless when we know it's not ... if we paid the true embodied price for goods and resources - we wouldn't be so wasteful ...

    in general tho - the steps that need to be taken are the same ones that need to be taken for everything ... collectively, we need to get our heads out of our asses ... we need to stop assuming that gov'ts and corporations will do the right thing ... cuz they haven't and they won't ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I know we've talked about this before, but I don't recall that specific situation or who it was. Doesn't matter, to be honest.

    I wasn't reiterating negative viewpoints and playing devil's advocate. Brian asked a question regarding why some people still don't believe global warming is real and I answered it to the best of my ability, on behalf of those people. I am not one of them. I'm not arguing with anyone for the sake of arguing.

    I'm actually arguing with people that I'm not arguing with them. these climate threads all have a common theme. :?

    how is relating what others are saying not reiterating and being devils advocate?

    and yes - these climate threads DO have a common theme ... do you understand now why i plead for people to do a little reading!? ... when people talk about the earth being old and records not kept and that its cold where they live ... i know for a fact that they don't understand the science ... it's not about being elitist or telling people what they should do ... it's about not perpetually typing the same things over and over again ...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    no offence man but nothing seems to be good enough for you on this topic,you constantly fire back with the negitive when debating global warming or pollution issues.

    Godfather.

    dude ... i commended you on your energy savings man ... what do you want?

    I'm sorry if sounded like a jab at you that was not my intention, as you said you're very passionet about the eco system
    and it seems you would accept nothing but perfect solutions and you seem to defend in that matter and I think that my point and maybe a few others believe that the perfect solution is un-reachable at this point (for now anyway) but we are all trying even it's just a little bit from each person it's a bigger step as a whole in the eco system, we've come a long way sense the 70's in my opinion.

    Godfather.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    I'm sorry if sounded like a jab at you that was not my intention, as you said you're very passionet about the eco system
    and it seems you would accept nothing but perfect solutions and you seem to defend in that matter and I think that my point and maybe a few others believe that the perfect solution is un-reachable at this point (for now anyway) but we are all trying even it's just a little bit from each person it's a bigger step as a whole in the eco system, we've come a long way sense the 70's in my opinion.

    Godfather.

    no ... that's not true ... i only ask 1 thing ... and that is people inform themselves on the issue a little more ... that is all i ever asked ... find me one post where i criticize people's efforts or where i ask for a perfect solution ...

    as far as we've come the same can be said of falling back ... environmental laws in the 70's were in many ways more tougher ... they have been systematically gutted as corporations gain more and more control of the power ...

    the solutions are easily attainable but we need to get our heads out of our asses and realize that there is a price to our consumption that is going to be paid by future generations and the poor ...

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