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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Jason P wrote:
    I don't know what is out of touch of making an abled bodied person have to show they are at least trying to find work every three months to qualify for food stamps? Is that really out of touch?

    The people working in the unemployment insurance offices are overworked as is.

    The 'checks' and 'balances' you describe would demand an entireyly new branch of government for that purpose. The costs associated with such would far outweigh the costs attached to abuse.

    I get frustrated with these types of scenarios as well, but let's be honest... these programs have value and are necessary. Let's place the blame where the blame should sit- on the losers that abuse them. And, while we're at it... let's feel good about the people who need assistance and are able to get it.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I don't know what is out of touch of making an abled bodied person have to show they are at least trying to find work every three months to qualify for food stamps? Is that really out of touch?

    The people working in the unemployment insurance offices are overworked as is.

    The 'checks' and 'balances' you describe would demand an entireyly new branch of government for that purpose. The costs associated with such would far outweigh the costs attached to abuse.

    I get frustrated with these types of scenarios as well, but let's be honest... these programs have value and are necessary. Let's place the blame where the blame should sit- on the losers that abuse them. And, while we're at it... let's feel good about the people who need assistance and are able to get it.
    Maybe we can offer them jobs working in the unemployment office?
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  • MG79478
    MG79478 Posts: 1,726
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Does the 'Republican dream' include elders living on the streets foraging in dumpsters, out of work people kicked out of their homes, and troubled veterans left to their own devices?

    No, that is just the result of liberal policy.
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I'm not sure if there are any programs that serve a strong purpose and do not exhibit characteristics of misuse. White collar abuse is rampant as well and has a much more profound effect on the integrity of society (look at the last Republican presidential candidate and his unethical and unpatriotic business exploits for example).

    How could anyone care about the alleged unethical and unpatriotic business exploits of the guy who lost, after living through the actual unethical and unpatriotic behaviors of the guy who won? Maybe Mitt Romney should change his name to Ben Ghazi so libreals won't talk about him anymore?
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Don't blame policy makers trying to do something positive... blame the people that abuse the programs.

    The only thing they are trying to do is buy votes with handouts. If they really wanted to help people, they wouldn't offer them handouts. Give a man a fish / Teach a man to fish.
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    MG79478 wrote:
    Give a man a fish / Teach a man to fish.

    What if the man has no use of his hands or is incapable of fishing on his own?
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  • MG79478
    MG79478 Posts: 1,726
    Guitar92player wrote:
    MG79478 wrote:
    Give a man a fish / Teach a man to fish.

    What if the man has no use of his hands or is incapable of fishing on his own?

    You do understand that saying implies the man is capable of fishing?

    But even if he is not, does that man not have any other skill or value? Does he not have friends or family to help? Government assistance should be the option of last resort.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    MG79478 wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    MG79478 wrote:
    Give a man a fish / Teach a man to fish.

    What if the man has no use of his hands or is incapable of fishing on his own?

    You do understand that saying implies the man is capable of fishing?

    But even if he is not, does that man not have any other skill or value? Does he not have friends or family to help? Government assistance should be the option of last resort.
    Friends and family financially supporting someone shouldn't really be the next best solution (especially not friends) ... If a citizen needs aid, then the government should have options available to them, not only to help the individual, but to help that family who probably already does try to help (or not... many people do not have such a support system; it's should not be an assumption of the government that they do).
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  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    I find it funny that I heard that some Republicans are kind of mad at Gov. Christie lately for doing what the people wanted instead of following the GOP agenda. :lol: He signed a medical marijuana legalization bill, an anti gay conversion bill, and a gun control bill, all of which goes against what the GOP believe.

    Sorry that he is doing is job and listening to his people.

    However, this also could just be a political push towards the white house, but regardless he is standing up to his party in a way. So good for you Gov. Christie.
    ~Carter~

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    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Guitar92player wrote:
    I find it funny that I heard that some Republicans are kind of mad at Gov. Christie lately for doing what the people wanted instead of following the GOP agenda. :lol: He signed a medical marijuana legalization bill, an anti gay conversion bill, and a gun control bill, all of which goes against what the GOP believe.

    Sorry that he is doing is job and listening to his people.

    However, this also could just be a political push towards the white house, but regardless he is standing up to his party in a way. So good for you Gov. Christie.
    Regardless of party, I wish more politicians would act on behalf of their constituents vs. their party's supposed pushes. Granted - and again, regardless of party - just about everyone jumps the shark when trying to get elected or re-elected but I do hope Christie's sincere in his expansion of current MM laws. If so, he's on the right track (plus the dude seems like he's hit several bongloads over the course of his life).

    If people would just go the common-sense approach, most everything would fall quite nicely into place.

    (although this, from a quick search, makes NO sense - "Christie told the Legislature that he would sign the bill if it stipulated that edible forms of marijuana would be dispensed only to minors, not to patients of all ages." Why the limit, Chris, WHY?)
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    1) NO!!!

    2) REPEAL!!

    3) BENGHAZI!!!


    these are what the gop are betting on in november.

    pretty sad when you put party above country, but hey, this is nothing new now, is it?
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,530
    edited May 2014
    unsung said:

    brianlux" said:
    [quote="gimmesometruth27"][quote="unsung"]Abortion kills more life than any so-called assault weapon.
    your thoughts on guns are noted. please do not derail the thread with the first reply.[/quote][/quote]


    I'm making a valid comparison on how much life is lost as compared to what the left perceives as the real issue. If you can't take honest debate don't create threads. Or at least state that you only want those that agree with you to reply.

    Here are more stats.

    In 2011 there were 2,513,171 documented deaths in the US.

    .34% were gun related, about 8500.
    .012% were related to so-called assault weapons, about 300.

    By comparison 1,210,000 abortions were performed in the US in 2008.

    Keep telling me that guns are the problem. You always say that a person is a law-abiding citizen until they use a gun in a crime. By that logic a dr is law abiding until he performs an abortion, now he is a murderer.


    Rand Paul 2016.






    except abortion is legal.
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    Thank you for expressing your opinion. Highly valued.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MG79478 said:

    Government assistance should be the option of last resort.

    Do you have a problem with the fact that approx 50% of taxes are spent on the military? Or is it just tax money spent on the poor that makes you angry?

    And how about the $6 trillion spent on two bullshit wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are you fine with that?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    we have to spend that money on defense. we will never change our foreign policy, which is actually making us less safe, so we have to have the most badass military. you know, for defense.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    MG79478 said:

    Guitar92player" said:
    [quote="MG79478"]Give a man a fish / Teach a man to fish.
    What if the man has no use of his hands or is incapable of fishing on his own?[/quote]

    You do understand that saying implies the man is capable of fishing?

    But even if he is not, does that man not have any other skill or value? Does he not have friends or family to help? Government assistance should be the option of last resort.

    except that your aren't teaching them to fish...you are leaving them to figure it out on their own or starve
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  • AndyVanSlyke
    AndyVanSlyke Posts: 183
    A scenario if I may:

    You, a ___ year old, worked full time as a ____ while living with your girlfriend and child. One night you get in a car accident and sustain a traumatic brain injury. After recovery and rehab, you break up with your girlfriend and are forced to live with your daughter and your mother, who is now assisting with childcare. You are also now collecting SSDI ($1200/month) and Medicaid.

    Fast forward one year – making progress and preparing for getting your own place and return to work. The $1200 that you learned to live off of is proving to be just enough to live and your medical assistance is needed for medications and doctors.

    Options:

    a. Get a part time/full time job that disqualifies you from benefits. (Also while dealing with symptoms). You may be able to make enough to gain independence but are basically forced to start fresh but with responsibilities of a child, bills, and other grownup things (that can't just be refreshed).
    b. Stay on the systems that you’ve gotten comfortable with living with “for now”.

    Option A is usually the more respectable “American Way” but puts your finances, health, and living situation in jeopardy. Option B ends up feeling like a safer bet.
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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited May 2014
    I live directly next door to this Oklahoma GOP genius... Made headlines by pulling a Dick Cheney

    rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/04/pro-gun-ok-republican-cant-believe-he-shot-another-hunter-im-as-safety-as-can-be/

    Seriously, right fuking next door.... no, really I don;t think you understand... right next door.. haha
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