NO CODE~Jack Irons Drums (some of the best)

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  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden
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  • not for me?
    not for me? Posts: 501
    crazygeo wrote:
    I've seen some of the posts beating on Matt (no pun intended).

    LIAR! You intended the shit out of that pun. ;)
    Nathan
  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    okay I did...but he sounds very different than Matt in the studio
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  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    I am hoping some new sounds or even heavier drumming comes from Matt on Lightning Bolt. He has some great drumming on King Animal. That is such a great disk! I am hoping Pear Jam can top it as it has some classics. Blood on the valley floor is awesome. Just listen to it!!!

    Matt best drumming is ... Jesus Christ pose
    Jack is on No Code....in my tree
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  • smanchac1
    smanchac1 Posts: 2,256
    All I am doing is cringing reading this! As a drummer, jack is by far the sloppiest!

    I was watching all the 98 videos just two days ago that ten club put out and I was cringing at all the songs w jack... Then the final two, present tense and Wishlist were with Matt and 1,000,000 times better.

    I have so much to say that instead I'll stop... And let everyone have their own opinions.

    Best technical drummers
    Dave
    Matt
    Jack

    Best drummer for the band
    Matt
    Jack
    Dave

    My personal preference?
    Dave
    Matt
    Jack

    And I LOVE Matt.. Truly an underrated drumming genius...

    My point is - its all subjective. Without Dave there wouldn't have been the AMAZING tightness that led to the great early shows that built pjs name.. Without jack pearl jam would have broken up in 1994. And without Matt PJ more than likely wouldnt exist today.

    I've learned to respect each one and honor their time in the band.

    But jack sucks!!! Sorry I couldn't help it :oops:
  • William Wallace
    William Wallace Posts: 553
    No Code = best PJ album
    Jack Irons = best PJ drummer
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I couldn't agree with the OP more.Jack was the best
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    crazygeo wrote:
    I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden
    Matt doesn't do SOLAT any justice, or most of the pre yield stuf.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,808
    Jack (as well as the whole band) looks and sounds great here. Love this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD3p2k_UpXE
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    NO CODE~Jack Irons Drums (some of the best)

    Unread postby Last-12-Exit » 02 Aug 2013 18:36



    crazygeo wrote:I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden

    Matt doesn't do SOLAT any justice, or most of the pre yield stuf.

    Agreed...Love Matt... But in studio, No Code and Yield are hands down the best drum sounding albums (Jack behind the kit!!)....same producer
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    crazygeo wrote:
    NO CODE~Jack Irons Drums (some of the best)

    Unread postby Last-12-Exit » 02 Aug 2013 18:36



    crazygeo wrote:I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden

    Matt doesn't do SOLAT any justice, or most of the pre yield stuf.

    Agreed...Love Matt... But in studio, No Code and Yield are hands down the best drum sounding albums (Jack behind the kit!!)....same producer

    I read it and was agreeing with you. Just emphasizing that Matt doesn't do justice to a lot of songs. We're good here.

    :lol:
  • fortyshades
    fortyshades Posts: 1,835
    stratmad wrote:
    Nothing but love for Jack's drumming and drum sounds. I realise it's a matter of personal taste but to my hears he was the best drummer for the band at a time when the band was most interesting live and in the studio.

    Speaking of his drum sounds, take a listen to Mirrorball and Merkinball, particularly the sound of the drums on the studio version of Long Road. That sound is just the greatest, IMHO.

    His drumming had a fluidity that really worked for PJ. I love the end of All Those Yesterdays btw. Shine on Your Crazy Diamond is also amazing.
  • fortyshades
    fortyshades Posts: 1,835
    crazygeo wrote:
    I am hoping some new sounds or even heavier drumming comes from Matt on Lightning Bolt. He has some great drumming on King Animal. That is such a great disk! I am hoping Pear Jam can top it as it has some classics. Blood on the valley floor is awesome. Just listen to it!!!

    Matt best drumming is ... Jesus Christ pose
    Jack is on No Code....in my tree

    I think the heaviness of Soundgarden fits Matt's drumming style better though... I love King Animal; the drumming just drive the songs. PJ has always been an bit lighter though.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,976
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    crazygeo wrote:
    NO CODE~Jack Irons Drums (some of the best)

    Unread postby Last-12-Exit » 02 Aug 2013 18:36



    crazygeo wrote:I'm thrilled that they brought back "In My Tree" & "Who You Are", but Matt just doesn't have what it takes to do them justice.

    I agree with you...even though some may argue to no avail......

    it's missing the intensity....Live 06-19-2008 Camden

    Matt doesn't do SOLAT any justice, or most of the pre yield stuf.

    Agreed...Love Matt... But in studio, No Code and Yield are hands down the best drum sounding albums (Jack behind the kit!!)....same producer

    I read it and was agreeing with you. Just emphasizing that Matt doesn't do justice to a lot of songs. We're good here.

    :lol:

    Funny , when he played the same song in NY he miffed it?!?
  • fox_mulderX
    fox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    LongRoad wrote:
    I hate hearing Matt play Jack's songs. In My Tree has never been the same.


    Matt isn't capable of playing Jack, or Dave's, songs. Matt sounds good playing the songs he wrote, but anything prior sounds awful. In My Tree, Given to Fly, Lukin, Corduroy, Even Flow, and Daughter are some that stick out as just terrible when Matt plays them.
  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,458
    I had the pleasure to experience Jack Irons' skills at my first show, in Berlin 1996. That In My Tree is otherwordly. No Code is one of my faves.

    But I do have a lot of love for Mr. Cameron too :shifty: If I remember correctly, Jack Irons quit because he couldn't or didn't want to handle. The stress, the physical exhaustion, the fame ...? I don't remember what it was exactly. I am happy that I got to see him with PJ, but I think every thing has it's time.

    But yeah, this is the good shit!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZU0SvCfHJs
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  • fortyshades
    fortyshades Posts: 1,835
    Leezestarr313 wrote:
    I had the pleasure to experience Jack Irons' skills at my first show, in Berlin 1996. That In My Tree is otherwordly. No Code is one of my faves.

    But I do have a lot of love for Mr. Cameron too :shifty: If I remember correctly, Jack Irons quit because he couldn't or didn't want to handle. The stress, the physical exhaustion, the fame ...? I don't remember what it was exactly. I am happy that I got to see him with PJ, but I think every thing has it's time.

    But yeah, this is the good shit!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZU0SvCfHJs

    I believe that he couldn't handle it due to his anxiety and bipolar disorder. No gossip btw. Jack made numerous statements in media outlets and I was happy that he gave some notice to these disorders.
  • danny
    danny Posts: 2,283
    i agree
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Matt Cameron is one of my top 5 drummers, but he's so much better suited for SG. I don't LOVE him for PJ.

    Jack is my favorite drummer for PJ, hands down. While I love a lot of what has come since, I feel like Yield was the last truly great album, front to back. The 1st 5 PJ albums each hold such a special place in my heart, I can't rank them. I truly love No Code and Yield as much as Ten.

    I agree with the drummer who thinks JI is sloppy, but I'm ok with that; (Drums on Brain of J make that song for me.)

    Also happy to see In My Tree getting so much love. My favorite PJ song. Period. No debate or hesitation for me on that one.
  • crazygeo
    crazygeo Posts: 2,380
    y Merkin Baller » 03 Aug 2013 07:26

    Matt Cameron is one of my top 5 drummers, but he's so much better suited for SG. I don't LOVE him for PJ.

    Jack is my favorite drummer for PJ, hands down. While I love a lot of what has come since, I feel like Yield was the last truly great album, front to back. The 1st 5 PJ albums each hold such a special place in my heart, I can't rank them. I truly love No Code and Yield as much as Ten.

    I agree with the drummer who thinks JI is sloppy, but I'm ok with that; (Drums on Brain of J make that song for me.)

    Also happy to see In My Tree getting so much love. My favorite PJ song. Period. No debate or hesitation for me on that one.

    It is a very difficult subject to talk about or for some who can't hear the difference. I am sure no one has a true winning argument on this subject. But, as a drummer, I love the DRUMS on No Code so much! Listen to the ending of In My Tree...amazing sound!
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