Israel Approves More Illegal Settlements
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Business as usual in the Apartheid West bank. Good to see that ethnic cleansing is alive and well in the World, and supported by American tax dollars:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... -west-bank
Israel to approve four unauthorised West Bank settler outposts
Legalisation, which comes amid rise in attacks on Palestinians and their property, could frustrate US peace efforts
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 16 May 2013
The Israeli government is to retroactively legalise four unauthorised settler outposts in the West Bank in a move likely to exasperate the US secretary of state, John Kerry, before his fourth visit to Jerusalem next week in a drive to restart peace talks.
The measure comes amid a heightened spate of attacks on Palestinians and their property after the killing of a settler in the West Bank last month. The so-called price tag attacks prompted an emergency meeting of government ministers and security officials on Thursday to discuss tougher measures in dealing with settler extremism, according to Israeli media reports.
The government said it had taken steps to confer legal status on the four outposts, which have been slated for demolition since 2003, in response to a petition submitted to the supreme court by the Israeli settlement monitoring organisation Peace Now.
Officials draw a distinction between about 120 West Bank settlements whose construction was approved by the government, and dozens of small unauthorised hilltop outposts, invariably populated by young, hardline ideologically and religiously driven settlers. Under international law, all settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are illegal.
The legalisation move is likely to increase already widespread pessimism over the chances of success for Kerry's mission to revive the peace process. Settlement expansion is a key deterrent to the Palestinians returning to the negotiating table.
Yariv Oppenheimer, the director of Peace Now, said: "Instead of defending Israel's interest, the defence minister is defending the security of the hilltop youth. This is a slap in the face to the efforts of the US secretary of state to restart negotiations."
The Palestinian official Hanan Ashrawi said the move showed "the truth of an ongoing Israeli policy to create facts on the ground. It pre-empts Kerry's visit to the region next week, and makes a mockery at any attempt to launch viable negotiations. These actions send a clear message to both the Obama administration and to the Palestinian people that Israel is committed more to land theft than to peacemaking."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... -west-bank
Israel to approve four unauthorised West Bank settler outposts
Legalisation, which comes amid rise in attacks on Palestinians and their property, could frustrate US peace efforts
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 16 May 2013
The Israeli government is to retroactively legalise four unauthorised settler outposts in the West Bank in a move likely to exasperate the US secretary of state, John Kerry, before his fourth visit to Jerusalem next week in a drive to restart peace talks.
The measure comes amid a heightened spate of attacks on Palestinians and their property after the killing of a settler in the West Bank last month. The so-called price tag attacks prompted an emergency meeting of government ministers and security officials on Thursday to discuss tougher measures in dealing with settler extremism, according to Israeli media reports.
The government said it had taken steps to confer legal status on the four outposts, which have been slated for demolition since 2003, in response to a petition submitted to the supreme court by the Israeli settlement monitoring organisation Peace Now.
Officials draw a distinction between about 120 West Bank settlements whose construction was approved by the government, and dozens of small unauthorised hilltop outposts, invariably populated by young, hardline ideologically and religiously driven settlers. Under international law, all settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are illegal.
The legalisation move is likely to increase already widespread pessimism over the chances of success for Kerry's mission to revive the peace process. Settlement expansion is a key deterrent to the Palestinians returning to the negotiating table.
Yariv Oppenheimer, the director of Peace Now, said: "Instead of defending Israel's interest, the defence minister is defending the security of the hilltop youth. This is a slap in the face to the efforts of the US secretary of state to restart negotiations."
The Palestinian official Hanan Ashrawi said the move showed "the truth of an ongoing Israeli policy to create facts on the ground. It pre-empts Kerry's visit to the region next week, and makes a mockery at any attempt to launch viable negotiations. These actions send a clear message to both the Obama administration and to the Palestinian people that Israel is committed more to land theft than to peacemaking."
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What else is new? Same shit. Best part, they ALWAYS get away with it. But dnt blame Israel, oh no, they NEVER do anything wrong. Stealing land that ISN'T there's is ok cuz they're gods chosen people. :fp:0
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I will never understand the hate towards Israel on this forum.0
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RustyShackelford wrote:I will never understand the hate towards Israel on this forum.
You think people should be ok with Apartheid and ethnic cleansing then?
Anyway, there's a difference between opposing and criticising a countries governments policies, and hating a country. But then I'm sure you know that already, right?0 -
Building a house on a wasteland = ethnic cleansing
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RustyShackelford wrote:I will never understand the hate towards Israel on this forum.
then you need to educate yourself. and you need to understand that any hatred is directed towards the Israeli govt., NOT israel. I doubt there is anyone here who would deny israels right to exist. it is the makeup of that Israel that is in dispute... that has always been in dispute. if you do not get that nuance then I suggest you excuse yourself from the discussion.hear my name
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badbrains wrote:What else is new? Same shit. Best part, they ALWAYS get away with it. But dnt blame Israel, oh no, they NEVER do anything wrong. Stealing land that ISN'T there's is ok cuz they're gods chosen people. :fp:
you know what im wondering? what Israel is it they they want? is it the united Israel of david and solomon or is it the israel of the divided lands of israel and judea? what point in history of the land of 'israel' is it were dealing with here?hear my name
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I'm not ok with what is going on over there. The whole area is fucked up. But this article has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing. Nothing.Byrnzie wrote:Jason P wrote:Building a house on a wasteland = ethnic cleansing
Get it. Got it. Good.
No, evicting Palestinians from their homes, and bulldozing Palestinian homes and stealing their land = ethnic cleansing.
But then, I'm sure you're o.k with that, right?
Don't over-dramatize every article you paste here. Perhaps you will get better results in debate of the subject if you let the facts tell the story.
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Jason P wrote:
I'm not ok with what is going on over there. The whole area is fucked up. But this article has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing. Nothing.Byrnzie wrote:Jason P wrote:Building a house on a wasteland = ethnic cleansing
Get it. Got it. Good.
No, evicting Palestinians from their homes, and bulldozing Palestinian homes and stealing their land = ethnic cleansing.
But then, I'm sure you're o.k with that, right?
Don't over-dramatize every article you paste here. Perhaps you will get better results in debate of the subject if you let the facts tell the story.
Just a suggestion.
So stealing another peoples land and erecting Jewish-only settlements on it doesn't constitute ethnic cleansing? I suggest you check the definition of 'ethnic cleansing'.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:Jason P wrote:
I'm not ok with what is going on over there. The whole area is fucked up. But this article has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing. Nothing.Byrnzie wrote:No, evicting Palestinians from their homes, and bulldozing Palestinian homes and stealing their land = ethnic cleansing.
But then, I'm sure you're o.k with that, right?
Don't over-dramatize every article you paste here. Perhaps you will get better results in debate of the subject if you let the facts tell the story.
Just a suggestion.
So stealing another peoples land and erecting Jewish-only settlements on it doesn't constitute ethnic cleansing? I suggest you check the definition of 'ethnic cleansing'.
im absolutely certain that the 'situation' for the palestinians couldn't be over dramatized by anyones definition... except perhaps that of the Israeli govt. Jason P perhaps you need to put yourself in the position of the Palestinians(or anyone who has been displaced by a settler society) and maybe then youll understand.hear my name
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Ethnic cleansing usually involves attempts to remove physical and cultural evidence of the targeted group in the territory through the destruction of homes, social centers, farms, and infrastructure, and by the desecration of monuments, cemeteries, and places of worship.Byrnzie wrote:So stealing another peoples land and erecting Jewish-only settlements on it doesn't constitute ethnic cleansing? I suggest you check the definition of 'ethnic cleansing'.
Hmmm. Appears you got me there.
But I guess this defintion justifies the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:
Ethnic cleansing usually involves attempts to remove physical and cultural evidence of the targeted group in the territory through the destruction of homes, social centers, farms, and infrastructure, and by the desecration of monuments, cemeteries, and places of worship.Byrnzie wrote:So stealing another peoples land and erecting Jewish-only settlements on it doesn't constitute ethnic cleansing? I suggest you check the definition of 'ethnic cleansing'.
Hmmm. Appears you got me there.
But I guess this defintion justifies the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan.
no... the US needs no justification for occupation as they tend to not give a shit... besides afghanistan is a strategic asset. israels justification is based on religion and is therefore, bullshit... as religion was made up by men. it holds no water cause it isn't much more than myth. the west kowtows to them because of some sort of misguided guilt.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:israels justification is based on religion and is therefore, bullshit... as religion was made up by men. it holds no water cause it isn't much more than myth. the west kowtows to them because of some sort of misguided guilt.
The West doesn't really kowtow to them. The U.S does though. Mainly as a remnant of the Cold war, and because they're still strategically useful, as they help the U.S maintain it's hegemony in the region.
The U.S didn't give a shit about Israel until after the 1967 war. And neither did American Jews. Then Cold War politics, and the June 1967 war, saw to it that Israel became a strategic asset of the U.S. That strategic asset has remained in place since the U.S seeks dominance of the region and it's natural resources. Though Israel has been testing the limits of this relationship for a long time by acting like a reckless rogue state, and by contributing to making the U.S a target of international terrorism - see 9/11.
The Jewish vote and AIPAC in the U.S are actually pretty insignificant in the big scheme of things, especially considering that the vast majority of American Jews are democratic. And current trends show that American Jews are increasingly distancing themselves from Israel.
And the more of a liability Israel becomes, and the more it's aggressive militarism threatens U.S interests, the more we'll see America distance itself from Israel.
Prior to the June 1967 war the vast majority of American Jews didn't give a toss about Israel:
Norman Finkelstein: 'Knowing Too Much: Why The American Jewish Romance With Israel is Coming To An End'
P.38: 'In his indifference to Israel, Podhoretz was typical of his generation of American Jewish intellectuals. An April 1961 Commentary symposium "Jewishness and The Younger Intellectuals," posed a series of questions to 31 "promising Jewish intellectuals" on the meaning of their Jewish identity, the last of which was "Do you feel any special connection with the State of Israel?" Only two respondents avowed a deep (if not uncritical) attachment to Israel, while most briefly expressed a "sympathy" for Israel against the threat of it's Arab neighbours coupled with reservations about Israel's politics and ideology. Fully a third of the respondents either did not bother to answer the Israel question or expressed indifference or hostility toward Israel.
Often scathing in their criticism, these up-and-coming Jewish intellectuals variously denounced Israel for it's "nationalistic and militaristic fervour" and it's "rigid position on the Arab refugees," it's "racial bigotry, political machinations and....excess of nationalism," it's "chronic, aggressive insecurities," and it's "notion of manifest destiny." Still others proclaimed, "I no longer feel any commitment to or personal sympathy with [Israel]",; "I am anti-Zionist. Jewish chauvinism is no less despicable than other kinds of chauvinism - and more despicable than many, since it is based on racist ideology...In the dispute between Israel and the 900,000 Arab refugees it has driven from their lands, I support the Arabs"; "My landscape is not Israel. My troubles are American troubles." This last curt dismissal came from Barbara Probst Solomon, who later lent her name to Joan Peter's 1984 "pro"-Israel forgery 'From Time Immemorial'.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:catefrances wrote:israels justification is based on religion and is therefore, bullshit... as religion was made up by men. it holds no water cause it isn't much more than myth. the west kowtows to them because of some sort of misguided guilt.
The West doesn't really kowtow to them. The U.S does though. Mainly as a remnant of the Cold war, and because they're still strategically useful, as they help the U.S maintain it's hegemony in the region.
The U.S didn't give a shit about Israel until after the 1967 war. And neither did American Jews. Then Cold War politics, and the June 1967 war, saw to it that Israel became a strategic asset of the U.S. That strategic asset has remained in place since the U.S seeks dominance of the region and it's natural resources. Though Israel has been testing the limits of this relationship for a long time by acting like a reckless rogue state, and by contributing to making the U.S a target of international terrorism - see 9/11.
The Jewish vote and AIPAC in the U.S are actually pretty insignificant in the big scheme of things, especially considering that the vast majority of American Jews are democratic. And current trends show that American Jews are increasingly distancing themselves from Israel.
And the more of a liability Israel becomes, and the more it's aggressive militarism threatens U.S interests, the more we'll see America distance itself from Israel.
well considering countries( my country specifically) tend to follow the lead of the US, id consider that kowtowing. but tbh it seems to be more about upsetting Washington than tel aviv.hear my name
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The atheists are fucking shit up the best now, it appears. Thank technology and education for that.catefrances wrote:no... the US needs no justification for occupation as they tend to not give a shit... besides afghanistan is a strategic asset. israels justification is based on religion and is therefore, bullshit... as religion was made up by men. it holds no water cause it isn't much more than myth. the west kowtows to them because of some sort of misguided guilt.
Although Afghanistan may be considered a strategic asset due to the proximity of Iran, let’s recall a few key things.
The Taliban attacked and ethnic cleansed that country in 1996. No one gave a shit.
Assholes flied airplanes into the Twin Towers in 2001. Everyone gave a shit.
We said give us Bin Laden. They told us to fuck off.
And we now are leaving this strategic asset. So our overlord and king tells us.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
catefrances wrote:well considering countries( my country specifically) tend to follow the lead of the US, id consider that kowtowing. but tbh it seems to be more about upsetting Washington than tel aviv.
Australia is an exception to the rule, as the annual vote on the “Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine” demonstrates:
The United Nations General Assembly annually votes on a resolution titled, “Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine.” This resolution uniformly includes these tenets for “achieving a peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine”: (1) “Affirming the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war”; (2) “Affirming also the illegality of the Israeli settlements in the territory occupied since 1967 and of Israeli actions aimed at changing the status of Jerusalem”; (3) “Stresses the need for: (a) The realization of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, primarily the right to self-determination; (b) The withdrawal of Israel from the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967”; (4) “Also stresses the need for resolving the problem of the Palestine refugees in conformity with its resolution 194 (III) of 11 December 1948.” Here is the recorded vote on this resolution the past decade:
1997 [155-2-3]
Israel, United States
1998 [154-2-3]
Israel, United States
1999 [149-3-2]
Israel, United States , Marshall Islands
2000 [149-2-3]
Israel, United States
2001 [131-6-20]
Israel, United States , Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Tuvalu
2002 [160-4-3]
Israel, United States , Marshall Islands, Micronesia
2003 [160-6-5]
Israel, United States , Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, Uganda
2004 [161-7-10]
Israel, United States , Australia, Grenada, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau
2005 [156-6-9]
Israel, United States , Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau
2006 [157-7-10]
Israel, United States , Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau
2007 [161-7-5]
Israel, United States , Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau
2008 [164-7]
Israel, United States , Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau
2009 [163-7]
United States, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Panama,
2010 [165-7-4]
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The atheists are fucking shit up the best now, it appears. Thank technology and education for that.catefrances wrote:no... the US needs no justification for occupation as they tend to not give a shit... besides afghanistan is a strategic asset. israels justification is based on religion and is therefore, bullshit... as religion was made up by men. it holds no water cause it isn't much more than myth. the west kowtows to them because of some sort of misguided guilt.
Although Afghanistan may be considered a strategic asset due to the proximity of Iran, let’s recall a few key things.
The Taliban attacked and ethnic cleansed that country in 1996. No one gave a shit.
Assholes flied airplanes into the Twin Towers in 2001. Everyone gave a shit.
We said give us Bin Laden. They told us to fuck off.
And we now are leaving this strategic asset. So our overlord and king tells us.
the atheists???? youre gonna have to be more specific.. there are millions of us.
afghanistans strategic importance has nothing to do with iran.hear my name
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Byrnzie wrote:catefrances wrote:well considering countries( my country specifically) tend to follow the lead of the US, id consider that kowtowing. but tbh it seems to be more about upsetting Washington than tel aviv.
Australia is an exception to the rule, as the annual vote on the “Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine” demonstrates: ...
and how proud I am as an Australian. :roll:hear my name
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How can you ask us to keep our eyes open when you bury your head in the sand?Byrnzie wrote:Jason P wrote:We said give us Bin Laden. They told us to fuck off.
No they didn't. They said provide us with evidence of his guilt. And the U.S refused. Big difference.
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