'You Deserve Rape' sign causes controversy on UA campus

Jeanwah
Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
edited May 2013 in A Moving Train
What the Hell is wrong with people?

http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/ ... -ua-campus

A student holding a sign that read “You deserve rape” ignited outrage across campus Tuesday, on the same day of a sexual assault awareness event, but administrators declined requests to remove him or his sign.

Dean Saxton — also known as Brother Dean Samuel — regularly preaches on the UA Mall in front of Heritage Hill and the Administration building. On Tuesday, his sermon drew the attention of onlookers, several of whom either personally confronted him or complained to the Dean of Students Office.

The Dean of Students Office received stacks of written complaints, emails and multiple phone calls regarding Saxton’s sermon about women, said Kendal Washington White, interim dean of students.

Saxton has never directly threatened anyone in particular, and his language has been general enough that he isn’t targeting a particular person, White said. However, a university attorney was contacted to discuss the situation.

“We find it to be vulgar and vile,” White said. “However, it is protected speech. He has yet to, at this point, violate the student code of conduct.”

Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that “if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you’re probably going to get raped.”

“I think that girls that dress and act like it,” Saxton said, “they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they’re pretty much asking for it.”

Saxton’s sermon came ahead of the “Take Back the Night” event held Tuesday night, which aims to unite people against sexual violence. He said his decision to create the sign and display it was tied to the event and to the fact that April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

“[Saxton] is part of a larger societal culture that tolerates rape, and that’s exactly what the Oasis Program Against Sexual Assault and Relationship Violence is here to counteract,” said Megan McKendry, a violence prevention specialist with Oasis, a program out of Campus Health Service. “His message is an awful one that we condemn. No one deserves to be raped.”

University of Arizona Police Department officers also received multiple calls about an incident that took place around 12:40 p.m. involving Saxton, said Joe Bermudez, a spokesman for UAPD. The incident involved a student who tried to pull down Saxton’s sign.

Bermudez would not elaborate on the assault because the investigation is ongoing.

“I think if he’s trying to, you know, get people to know God, I think he’s just doing it wrong,” said Paola Gonzalez, a pre-pharmacy sophomore. “It is free speech, but I still disagree that he should be able to call other people names and we can’t call him names. He shouldn’t be able to call us names, either.”
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I like the first comment after this article: "Since children, little old ladies and women who wear burqas are also the victims of rape, Saxton's argument is null and void. Rape is a crime of punishment, power, opportunity and degradation. It has nothing to do with apparel."
  • the wolf
    the wolf Posts: 7,027
    I support his right to hold that sign.

    I also will support any woman that chooses to kick him in the junk for holding said sign.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    the wolf wrote:
    I support his right to hold that sign.

    I also will support any woman that chooses to kick him in the junk for holding said sign.
    Someone should go up to him with a sign that says "You Deserve to be Kicked in the Nuts". And then kick him in the nuts.

    It could be the next big viral video. :geek:
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  • the wolf
    the wolf Posts: 7,027
    Jason P wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    I support his right to hold that sign.

    I also will support any woman that chooses to kick him in the junk for holding said sign.
    Someone should go up to him with a sign that says "You Deserve to be Kicked in the Nuts". And then kick him in the nuts.

    It could be the next big viral video. :geek:

    Now THAT... i would watch!!! :)
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  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    i wish i could confront him and spit right in his face. multiple times, in an attempt to provoke retaliation. then smear his fucking brains across the pavement. that would be pleasant.
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    when she says NO, you gota stop....when he says GO, you still gota stop.....it doesnt matter how a woman dresses or acts. if that scumbag held that sign in my neighborhood he would get pulverized. fuck his freedom of speech.
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    people like him need to get out more and learn to appreciate the beauty of woman...

    woman is art...art is woman
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Arizona :lol:
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    im in philly, but if i could tap my heels together 3 times and be on that campus i would. then i would hock a loogie square in his face. i wish i never read that post because now im pissed off. im sensitive to this subject, obviously. i apologize to all for the anger but i believe it is just.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    I support his right to hold that sign.

    I also will support any woman that chooses to kick him in the junk for holding said sign.
    Someone should go up to him with a sign that says "You Deserve to be Kicked in the Nuts". And then kick him in the nuts.

    It could be the next big viral video. :geek:
    Hell yeah to ya both.

    By now, I shouldn't be but am still floored that this kind of thinking still occurs, is actually "preached".

    But yes, he has as much freedom to do his thing as...the Westboro Church, for example.
  • catefrances
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  • he's obviously a virgin and pissed off about it.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    he's obviously a virgin and pissed off about it.


    well all he needs to do is go find a girl 'who is asking for it' and remedy the situation. ;)
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    I support his right to hold that sign.

    I also will support any woman that chooses to kick him in the junk for holding said sign.
    Someone should go up to him with a sign that says "You Deserve to be Kicked in the Nuts". And then kick him in the nuts.

    It could be the next big viral video. :geek:
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Jeanwah wrote:
    “[Saxton] is part of a larger societal culture that tolerates rape...,

    To include politicians, people in authority that spew this kind of crap for all to hear and a growing number of people to agree with.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I love free speech :D

    tolerate rape? many men fantasize about rape ... nice huh?

    Any self respecting woman would understand the importance of modesty.
    Any smart women would understand men.
    Any prepared women would not allow victimization and would fight for their life
    because the very essence of life is what is taken away when they are raped.
    Fuck rapists ... be prepared to die, woman aren't going to stay the weaker sex.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    pandora wrote:
    I love free speech :D

    tolerate rape? many men fantasize about rape ... nice huh?

    Any self respecting woman would understand the importance of modesty.
    Any smart women would understand men.
    Any prepared women would not allow victimization and would fight for their life
    because the very essence of life is what is taken away when they are raped.
    Fuck rapists ... be prepared to die, woman aren't going to stay the weaker sex.
    Many women fantasize about rape as well. It's not in my sexual-thought cache but hell knows there are other things I think about that might send others running; however, I have no desire to act on them. I'd give most men that benefit of the doubt.

    Anyway...parts of your post make no sense to me - I do respect myself and am typically "modest" (read: introverted). But when I choose not to be? It's not an open invitation.

    As to understanding men...I think I do. At least, the decent ones who'd never consider lack of modesty as, again, an open invitation.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    hedonist wrote:
    Many women fantasize about rape as well. It's not in my sexual-thought cache but hell knows there are other things I think about that might send others running; however, I have no desire to act on them. I'd give most men that benefit of the doubt.

    Anyway...parts of your post make no sense to me - I do respect myself and am typically "modest" (read: introverted). But when I choose not to be? It's not an open invitation.

    As to understanding men...I think I do. At least, the decent ones who'd never consider lack of modesty as, again, an open invitation.


    any self respecting woman would understand her own sexuality and how to own it regardless of what it is society deems acceptable... modesty has nothing to do with it.. insofar that modesty is a paradigm established by the patriarchy in order that they not be tempted(I call it the adam defence) cause it is they who seem to have the overwhelming issues with a womans sexuality and all that it implies. all we need to do is look at what an issue breastfeeding in public has become.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    hedonist wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I love free speech :D

    tolerate rape? many men fantasize about rape ... nice huh?

    Any self respecting woman would understand the importance of modesty.
    Any smart women would understand men.
    Any prepared women would not allow victimization and would fight for their life
    because the very essence of life is what is taken away when they are raped.
    Fuck rapists ... be prepared to die, woman aren't going to stay the weaker sex.
    Many women fantasize about rape as well. It's not in my sexual-thought cache but hell knows there are other things I think about that might send others running; however, I have no desire to act on them. I'd give most men that benefit of the doubt.

    Anyway...parts of your post make no sense to me - I do respect myself and am typically "modest" (read: introverted). But when I choose not to be? It's not an open invitation.

    As to understanding men...I think I do. At least, the decent ones who'd never consider lack of modesty as, again, an open invitation.

    Dark recesses of hedonist's fantasies!!! :lol:;)

    Modesty? Guess that means for a 'smart' woman dressing and behaving 'appropriately'? Like keeping your tits comfortably in and having a skirt/dress longer than mid-thigh? Or is that not modest enough? Maybe need to cover your shoulders and not wear too much make up?

    Understanding men? Would that mean for a 'smart' woman to 'understand' that men can't resist temptation? That they are all rapists in the making if the 'smart' woman is not modest? Hmmmm.... the 'smart' woman knows not to tempt the weak man who has no will... I've heard that excuse for women to cover up somewhere....

    As you say hedonist, what one may consider a lack of modesty (by who's standard?) or lack of 'understanding men' is NEVER an open invitation to rape. NEVER.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist wrote:
    Many women fantasize about rape as well. It's not in my sexual-thought cache but hell knows there are other things I think about that might send others running; however, I have no desire to act on them. I'd give most men that benefit of the doubt.

    Anyway...parts of your post make no sense to me - I do respect myself and am typically "modest" (read: introverted). But when I choose not to be? It's not an open invitation.

    As to understanding men...I think I do. At least, the decent ones who'd never consider lack of modesty as, again, an open invitation.


    any self respecting woman would understand her own sexuality and how to own it regardless of what it is society deems acceptable... modesty has nothing to do with it.. insofar that modesty is a paradigm established by the patriarchy in order that they not be tempted(I call it the adam defence) cause it is they who seem to have the overwhelming issues with a womans sexuality and all that it implies. all we need to do is look at what an issue breastfeeding in public has become.
    When I talk of modesty, I guess I personalize it. It doesn't necessarily equate to sexuality but in...hell, I'm not sure how to describe it - putting it all out there? What I was getting at was whether or not I choose to do that isn't tantamount to my yelling "come & get it!"

    Hope that makes sense.