Did changing drummers help PJ?

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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,218
    I ilke both Matt and Jack for what they are, but I liked the way Jack made space in the songs. To me, Matts drumming is just full speed ahead through the whole song.. I think it was Jack's ability to use the toms and lay off the cymbals. Ultimately though, as someone else said earlier, the drummer is really contained by what he is given to work with.. But the way I imagine it is -- Yield would not have been nearly as good with Matt (sorry :oops: )

    Matt is a rocker, and his endurance and abilities live are amazing. And I also agree with Juggler, leave the song writing to Stone, Jeff, Ed..
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,617
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
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    i love all their albums but some have to be considered their "worst" right?
    backspacer yes..but im not putting riot act and avocado ,lower than nocode or vitalogy

    every album has brilliant moment

    ten as number 1 and vs as number 2 is their top 2,binaural number 3 IMO

    i agree that every album has brilliant moments. the issue that i have is their last few albums seem to be way more inconsistent than the albums from the band's first 10 years.

    for me....
    ten (not necessarily my favorite--but come on, it's ten)
    yield
    no code
    vitalogy
    vs
    binaural
    riot act
    avocado
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    The Juggler wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    [

    i love all their albums but some have to be considered their "worst" right?
    backspacer yes..but im not putting riot act and avocado ,lower than nocode or vitalogy

    every album has brilliant moment

    ten as number 1 and vs as number 2 is their top 2,binaural number 3 IMO

    i agree that every album has brilliant moments. the issue that i have is their last few albums seem to be way more inconsistent than the albums from the band's first 10 years.

    for me....
    ten (not necessarily my favorite--but come on, it's ten)
    yield
    no code
    vitalogy
    vs
    binaural
    riot act
    avocado
    backspacer
    well,we agree at first and last!!!!! :)
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  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    The Juggler wrote:
    rearviewross wrote:
    I think people are coming from two different places with their opinions. Some are looking purely at the drumming and not considering ancillary things like Jacks mental health issues. It is a wish that they could have kept Jack or Dave A/K, knowing full well that he did not want to stay in the band. The other point of view is taking everything into consideration. If you are wishing, I would wish for Jack or Dave A. If I am taking a realistic whole picture point of view I am glad Matt is in the band. He just seems to be a very down to Earth good guy. A calming force for the band off the stage perhaps. I think that is more what Ed meant, not necessarily that he is the best drummer but he is the best drummer for them at this point in their lives.

    So I guess to answer my OP... changing drummers helped. Everyone just has a different era that they like the best and I think each era is directly attributed to the drummer at the time.

    Ten - Dave K
    Vs./Vitalogy- Dave A
    No Code/Yield- Jack Irons
    everything since- Matt

    My opinion is I like the Jack era best followed by Dave A and then Dave K. Glad Matt is in the band, just wish he would step forward a little more on a few more songs. In a my perfect PJ world Jack would still be the drummer, but he is not and I more than OK with Matt for all of the positive things mentioned previously. :D

    fair points all around.....though judging from the songs that matt did pen, i'm happy with him taking even more of a back seat regarding the song writing. ;)

    I was referring to his drumming not necessarily his song writing. Like on Got Some. I love the drums in that song, especially at the beginning.
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  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOwWSmiNqI

    We love Jack Irons, come on you fuckers! ha, ha :lol:
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    rearviewross wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOwWSmiNqI

    We love Jack Irons, come on you fuckers! ha, ha :lol:
    :lol::lol:

    and Deep entry is epic...i love this song..
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,617
    rearviewross wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOwWSmiNqI

    We love Jack Irons, come on you fuckers! ha, ha :lol:


    in addition to wanting jack back in the band....i would also love to bring back ed's 1995 voice. :o:lol:
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  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    The Juggler wrote:
    rearviewross wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOwWSmiNqI

    We love Jack Irons, come on you fuckers! ha, ha :lol:


    in addition to wanting jack back in the band....i would also love to bring back ed's 1995 voice. :o:lol:

    Subject for a different thread but I agree. :D

    Matt the machine! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7qG852y2To He is effortless. :D
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  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    Anyway, this is a moot argument as I heard they are getting Buddy Rich for the next album.
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  • danny
    danny Posts: 2,283
    they are still here today is the answer in my opinion!
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  • deftones
    deftones Athens, Greece Posts: 2,444
    The Juggler wrote:
    rearviewross wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOwWSmiNqI

    We love Jack Irons, come on you fuckers! ha, ha :lol:


    in addition to wanting jack back in the band....i would also love to bring back ed's 1995 voice. :o:lol:
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  • rival.
    rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    Mango wrote:
    There are many more posts with people asking for Jack Irons to come back. Why I do not know. He was a filler for the band. Matt is a concrete block and I think they love it that they are ALL on the same wavelength with each other. I would say the band have never been happier with their lives and the band in general. Its stable and Cameron was the key to that.

    jack irons injected more creativity into this band than any drummer. if dave was still on the kit, do you think we would have been treated to albums like no code or yield? no chance dave can hang on albums like that. zero. instead of no code, we more than likely would have had a vitalogy 2 on our hands.

    matt was a drummer for hire / filler at the time he joined. the expectation was that he was to help them during the '98 tour (since it was already booked) and that was it. i don't think anyone expected matt to be around for the long haul.

    and i think you are overlooking that jack suffered from biopolar disorder and had some medical issues. THAT was the main reason why he couldn't handle touring.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,469
    I think Dave A could hang with any style. He was more funk than pounding the shit outta the kit prior to PJ. If anything, he had to adjust to Pearl Jam's style IMO. He's still my favorite drummer out the bunch - but am glad they didn't keep making Vs over and over again. Different drummers are to thank for that IMO. 8-)
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  • southernmanfan
    southernmanfan Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 1,027
    Interesting post. I think they're all great drummers and Matt is as tight as you can get.

    All of them added a different flavour at different times, but Matt walked the mile. ;)
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  • rearviewross
    rearviewross Posts: 3,055
    southernmanfan wrote:
    Interesting post. I think they're all great drummers and Matt is as tight as you can get.

    All of them added a different flavour at different times, but Matt walked the mile. ;)

    Thats what I am saying. Everyone says they like this album or that album best but are they really saying I liked the band better with a certain drummer. Many people may not have even considered that.
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