Climate Myths

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    brianlux wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    so ...you see, the historical temperatures or history of the earth is secondary ... the temperature charts show a significant correlation between greenhouse gases and temperature ... which essentially corroborates the basic scientific principle of the greenhouse effect ... something that doesn't require centuries of temperature data to prove ... you can do it as a science experiment anywhere ...

    So how much more greenhouse gas is in the atmosphere today as compared to on this date 300 years ago?

    Why do believe that is that relevant?

    exactly ... still missing the point ... :(
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    polaris_x wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    know1 wrote:

    Why do believe that is that relevant?

    exactly ... still missing the point ... :(

    OMG- you were able to interpret that statement!

    (Note to self: Wake up before you post!)

    Again, know1:
    Why do you believe that is relevant?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    brianlux wrote:
    Bringing up the subject of climate change always seems redundant to me. Someone could tell me I need to find something else to think about and I would have a hard time arguing with that... except... it really is a relevant subject and the situation is not going to go away.

    There is a wealth of information on the internet, in scientific journals and in books about what science has learned about climate change and what is causing it. I've often wished for one source that encapsulates this information and serves to dispel the efforts of corporately sponsored organizations who go to great lengths to try to convince people climate change is either not real, not a problem, not caused by human activity (i.e. anthropogenic), or- in some odd cases- that it is good for us.

    So I was very pleased to come across a new book that does just that; Climate Myths, The Campaign Against Climate Science by John J. Berger. Berger is not a politician. Berger is a graduate from Stanford, has a masters in energy and natural resources from UC Berkeley and a Ph.D. in ecology from UC Davis. He is well respected in his field, written several books, and served as a consultant on energy and natural resource issues to government, scientific, academic and non-profit organizations as well as the U.S. Congress and National Academy of Sciences.

    If you sincerely care about the subject of climate change and are in doubt that human activity is the major cause of the present rapid changes in the world's climate, I highly recommend reading this book. If you are like me and would like a good, reliable resource that compiles straightforward information that dispels the efforts of corporate sponsored climate deniers, this book serves as an excellent resource.

    It recently came to my attention that the book I referred to in the above post will be officially released by Northbrae Books in just under a month from now. For more information on John J. Berger and his excellent work go to:

    http://www.johnjberger.com/John_J._Berg ... urces.html
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i thought this would fit into this thread about myths ... here are some about the electric car ...

    http://grist.org/business-technology/tu ... newsletter
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    i thought this would fit into this thread about myths ... here are some about the electric car ...

    http://grist.org/business-technology/tu ... newsletter
    So it isn't a myth that if you drive an electric car you are a smug prick that looks down your nose upon everyone else?

    :P
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    So it isn't a myth that if you drive an electric car you are a smug prick that looks down your nose upon everyone else?

    :P

    that is probably true ... :lol:

    edit: related to the article ... they opened up a tesla dealership inside the busiest mall here ... their initial estimates were that they were going to sell 50 cars a month ... they've sold 200 ... which is a huge number ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    My car is a Prius my wife has an SUV. But I'll tell you this- she is a better person than I am. That is a fact, not a myth.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    edit: related to the article ... they opened up a tesla dealership inside the busiest mall here ... their initial estimates were that they were going to sell 50 cars a month ... they've sold 200 ... which is a huge number ...
    Very good considering the cheapest model starts at $60K.

    In the end, it will all come down to the technology getting cheaper so it is more economical to buy an electric car. Spending $30K to get a car that would be $20K with a gas motor doesn't appeal to the masses. And that's the problem. The people that really need the savings when filling up can't afford the electric cars.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    brianlux wrote:
    My car is a Prius my wife has an SUV. But I'll tell you this- she is a better person than I am. That is a fact, not a myth.

    I believe that.



    ;)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    cincybearcat wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    My car is a Prius my wife has an SUV. But I'll tell you this- she is a better person than I am. That is a fact, not a myth.

    I believe that.



    ;)

    :lol: I'll tell her you said so, Cincy. It'll brighten her day! :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    Very good considering the cheapest model starts at $60K.

    In the end, it will all come down to the technology getting cheaper so it is more economical to buy an electric car. Spending $30K to get a car that would be $20K with a gas motor doesn't appeal to the masses. And that's the problem. The people that really need the savings when filling up can't afford the electric cars.

    well ... i dunno ... if you can supposedly afford a car and can supposedly afford gas ... i'm not too sure it's that much more ... car ownership is pricy to begin with ... i'm not sure going to electric is that much more ... obviously, if you're buying in with used cars and stuff ... that's a different thing and like the article said - there will be a tipping point ... either way you put it tho ... electric makes the most sense right now ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Very good considering the cheapest model starts at $60K.

    In the end, it will all come down to the technology getting cheaper so it is more economical to buy an electric car. Spending $30K to get a car that would be $20K with a gas motor doesn't appeal to the masses. And that's the problem. The people that really need the savings when filling up can't afford the electric cars.

    well ... i dunno ... if you can supposedly afford a car and can supposedly afford gas ... i'm not too sure it's that much more ... car ownership is pricy to begin with ... i'm not sure going to electric is that much more ... obviously, if you're buying in with used cars and stuff ... that's a different thing and like the article said - there will be a tipping point ... either way you put it tho ... electric makes the most sense right now ...
    Hybrid maybe, but eletric has limitations on range.

    I'd consider a Volkswagon diesel if they didn't decide to brand themselves as the car for suburban wussies.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Very good considering the cheapest model starts at $60K.

    In the end, it will all come down to the technology getting cheaper so it is more economical to buy an electric car. Spending $30K to get a car that would be $20K with a gas motor doesn't appeal to the masses. And that's the problem. The people that really need the savings when filling up can't afford the electric cars.

    well ... i dunno ... if you can supposedly afford a car and can supposedly afford gas ... i'm not too sure it's that much more ... car ownership is pricy to begin with ... i'm not sure going to electric is that much more ... obviously, if you're buying in with used cars and stuff ... that's a different thing and like the article said - there will be a tipping point ... either way you put it tho ... electric makes the most sense right now ...

    I'm going to throw my pitch for hybrids once again here... and not because it give me the right to look down my nose at anyone. :lol:

    When my old Honda Civic started costing me more to repair than it was worth I went to look at something economical with good gas mileage and figured a Toyota Corolla was a good choice. The dealer started to show me a Prius and I thought, no way- too expensive. He talked me into test driving one and I was impressed so I went home and did the math. With the saving in gas (50 to 55 MPG at 60 to 65 miles per hour on a flat road) I realized the Prius was no more expensive than a Corolla or Yaris or any other model so it made sense to go with the Prius which also (at least in 2008) had the best overall rating from Consumer Reports than any other vehicle of any kind.

    While I'm at it, I'll put in another pitch for the idea of having more no-drive days, walking, bicycling, public transportation (which requires some walking) and ride sharing- all good options for better personal health us and a healthier world.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    The telsa's look cool...the Volts not so bad...but I've driven a Prius (hated it) and no way a Leaf is in my future.
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    brianlux wrote:
    While I'm at it, I'll put in another pitch for the idea of having more no-drive days, walking, bicycling, public transportation (which requires some walking) and ride sharing- all good options for better personal health us and a healthier world.

    That would be awesome!!!! I can't wait for my company to move within walking/biking/public transportation distance to my house. Will that be a requirement of this plan?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    While I'm at it, I'll put in another pitch for the idea of having more no-drive days, walking, bicycling, public transportation (which requires some walking) and ride sharing- all good options for better personal health us and a healthier world.

    That would be awesome!!!! I can't wait for my company to move within walking/biking/public transportation distance to my house. Will that be a requirement of this plan?

    I didn't say anything about getting to work. I was thinking in terms of transportation in general. Obviously, not everyone can walk, bike or take public transportation to work. But it makes sense to do so when possible and it makes sense to walk, bike or take public transit when ever possible when going places other than work.

    Try thinking outside the box. We won't be able to continue our endless driving habits forever. Instead of shooting the messenger, think about your future and your kids future how we can make the best of things in order to get by.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    Hybrid maybe, but eletric has limitations on range.

    I'd consider a Volkswagon diesel if they didn't decide to brand themselves as the car for suburban wussies.

    the electrics now are essentially hybrids ... the difference is instead of the engine kicking in at a certain speed - it kicks in when you are out of battery ... the volt has a gas tank for that purpose ...
  • oceaninmyeyes
    oceaninmyeyes Posts: 4,646
    I hate to keep beating the horse for this documentary, but I just got this clip from the Chasing Ice on FB. This is an awesome bit of footage. http://www.upworthy.com/if-you-think-cl ... deo?c=ufb1
    And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    oceaninmyeyes wrote:
    I hate to keep beating the horse for this documentary, but I just got this clip from the Chasing Ice on FB. This is an awesome bit of footage. http://www.upworthy.com/if-you-think-cl ... deo?c=ufb1

    Amazing and very illustrative footage, oceaninmyeyes. Thanks for posting it.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • whgarrett
    whgarrett Posts: 574
    Why is climate change always the most talked about "problem" with the environment? I believe scientists are more to blame than anyone when it comes to the environment. They consistently feed the idea to the public that if we just do this, or if we just do that, then we can slow down the clock connected to the ticking time bomb.

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