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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    imalive wrote:
    Yeah, like Rangers fans don't have enough to worry about. :fp:

    Man, this offseason has sucked for us.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,288
    dr. phil, oprah and katie have been busy hearing the mea culpas.

    who's left for arod? maury povich? :? :lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,288
    granted, the idea of bud "taking a stand" is pretty laughable :roll: , but here's this:


    Bud Selig could send message
    Severe punishment for A-Rod could signal end of era, warn others
    Updated: January 30, 2013, 2:29 PM ET
    By Tim Keown | ESPN.com

    On second thought, maybe the steroid era isn't over. Our idea of the steroid era might have ended, along with the antiquated idea of guys sharing a bathroom stall to inject Winstrol, but it's becoming relatively clear the steroid era, as a concept, will never end.

    We should accept that. Not embrace it, but accept it for the undeniable, universal truth that it is.

    There's no such thing as a clean sport. Never will be, probably never has been.

    But that basic level of acceptance can serve as a starting point for baseball to determine how to move toward: (1) finding the guys who do cheat; and (2) dealing with them in a manner that precludes further cheating.

    It's true that Tuesday was a bad day for Bud Selig. Several big names in his sport shared notebook space with several Miami women with enough money and vanity to take the fight against their 40s to a pharmaceutical extreme. But it could also turn out to be a good day for Selig, as soon as he realizes he may never again find himself sitting in front of this much of the house's money.

    Which brings us to the topic of baseball's current recidivist of choice, Alex Rodriguez, a man whose code name, real name and apparent drugs of choice reportedly filled the notebooks of a medical fraud who ran a Miami anti-aging clinic with all the discretion of a kid posting on his Facebook page.

    If baseball's investigation corroborates the Miami New Times' story about Tony Bosch and his ballplayers, what if Selig stood at his bully pulpit and decided to turn Alex Rodriguez into the honorary sacrifice of the steroid era? What if A-Rod, the guy who confessed once before and may yet again, becomes the skin Selig displays on his wall to ward off future intruders?

    Rodriguez, through a spokesman, strongly denied his involvement, a move we've come to expect as straight from the manual at this point. But assuming the allegations are true -- and the evidence appears strong -- could A-Rod be suspended from the game long enough to effectively end his career? Just spitballing here, but could Selig make him the Pete Rose of PEDs and use A-Rod's arrogant, repeated nose-thumbing of the best interests of the game to make him ineligible for the Hall of Fame? Could this be the tipping point that finally brings some sanity to the Cooperstown Kabuki theater?

    That might be asking too much, but by the power vested in Selig by the new Joint Drug Agreement, he doesn't need a positive test to dole out suspensions. If he has evidence, he can suspend Rodriguez -- or, if you'd prefer, El Cacique -- for 50 games or more.

    And I acknowledge that this might take us too far down the Schadenfreude Express, but Selig will never find a better sacrifice than A-Rod. He is a man with very few allies. He's alienated fans, opponents and teammates with his hubris and above-it-all demeanor. You want to close the door on the Old Testament version of the steroid era? What better way than a severe punishment and public humbling of A-Rod to tell every other player he better think twice?

    In other words, what if Selig decided to act like a fan?

    (Forget for a moment the Yankees' attempt to void Rodriguez's contract. Nobody really cares about that, except for the Yankees and Rodriguez and the union. In fact, let's make an example out of the Yankees, as well, by forcing them to pay every penny of Rodriguez's contract as a message to the rest of the owners: Don't sign players to contracts that go beyond any reasonable estimation of a player's peak -- or even near-peak -- productivity. You give a guy $25 million a year past age 40, you're practically asking him to seek an edge as a means of justifying the contract. That's not to excuse the use of PEDs, but as Chris Rock might say … I understand.)

    Rodriguez is being compared to Lance Armstrong, but that's a stretch because Rodriguez never stood for anything -- real or imagined -- beyond himself. Rodriguez didn't need PEDs to be one of baseball's best players, but it's possible he needed them to be the guy he thought he was. To live up to his own inflated sense of self, there was no choice.

    There's undoubtedly fear involved, too. Fear of mortality, athletic or otherwise. It's the same motivation that brought the vain women into the clinic: Fear of what's out there beyond baseball or fame or childbirth. Much like Barry Bonds, A-Rod might view the idea of the superstar aging gracefully into an inevitable twilight as laughably old-fashioned. When there's a pill for that, why bother taking the risk of ending up like Willie Mays as a Met or Steve Carlton as a Twin?

    Selig is correct when he says baseball has a stringent drug-testing system, and he can point to the fact two of the five players connected to Biogenesis were already caught and suspended. But we know the testing program will never be sufficient. Cycling's underground, with its bonuses for doctors based on their ability to bioengineer winners, has taught us there's more money in beating the system than upholding it. There's not the time or the expertise or the interest to make it onerous enough to stop any and all cheating.

    Still, the Miami PED scandal -- or PED event, since scandal connotes shock and we're well beyond that -- is a pivotal moment for baseball. If Selig responds like someone who is tired of being played for a fool, he can put a figurative end to the steroid era. And maybe, if he plays it right, he can usher in a new one. Its message could be simple: An insufficient system doesn't have to be insignificant.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,004
    Sorry if it has already been posted:

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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,288
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Sorry if it has already been posted:

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    braves suck ;)

    glad they're not in "my" division.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • davidtrios
    davidtrios Posts: 9,732
    t- 2 months away from opening day.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    so, a-rod is done, right?
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,288
    you're welcome here, phillies fans.

    just don't get this thread locked. :shock: :lol: :fp:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    EV LA1 08
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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • uninnocent-
    uninnocent- Posts: 5,959
    Pitchers and catchers start reporting next week. Baseball is fast approaching!
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    a little something to get us excited for upcoming season... some great plays in this compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAy3Sh_RXjc
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    a little something to get us excited for upcoming season... some great plays in this compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAy3Sh_RXjc


    Thanks Johnny, I Needed that.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    a little something to get us excited for upcoming season... some great plays in this compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAy3Sh_RXjc


    Thanks Johnny, I Needed that.

    :D
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    As a lifelong Astros fan, I have to say......

    this is going to be a long season. :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp:
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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    norm wrote:
    Solidifies him being a douche bag for that press conference he did last year(?) at the beginning of the season.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    Newch91 wrote:
    norm wrote:
    Solidifies him being a douche bag for that press conference he did last year(?) at the beginning of the season.

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  • pureoc
    pureoc Posts: 2,383
    norm wrote:


    Love it. It's time for all the Brewers fans to stop defending him. The blind loyalty for him was disgusting. Now it's time they stay quiet for good.
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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Wait this is supposed to push me over the top? Really, evidence that lines up stating that they paid the dude around the same time, and a reference to him that could easily be a joke. Don't get me wrong I'm a Brewer fan and totally think that he did it. If fact, I wish he did admit it and then speak up for the use of PEDs. I mean seriously we want to think that controlling someone's intake of drugs that make them better at their jobs is ever possible? Why not just let the players go as far as they want with drugs that make them better at their job? If it's for "athlete safety" I call bullshit, because we have already demonstrated that we don't give a fuck. If it's for some idea that we want athletes "natural," well what the fuck is natural? Sticking a tendon in someone's elbow or ankle, or hamstring in their knee? Do players all have to do the same workout? Eat the same foods (what food constitutes natural)?
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/89193 ... e-ped-test

    and exactly....this isn't going to get Braun defenders to change their minds.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    RW

    does the fact that pro sports have historically shown a lack of concern for athlete safety preclude it from acting in a way that is in the interests of safety and fairness!? ...

    i hear ya that they haven't always shown that they give a fuck and it's somewhat hypocritical to start now but things have changed a bit ... in hockey, blows to the head are now penalties and cause suspensions; the nfl has new rules for player safety ... it may be a bit of window dressing but it's still something ...

    for me PEDs have always been about one thing ... and that is every athlete should have the opportunity to compete on a level playing field without having to sacrifice his/her health ... it's not so much about an athlete who'd make that sacrifice - it's for the athletes who choose not to ...