Women in combat: Will they have to register for the draft?

usamamasan1
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edited January 2013 in A Moving Train
Damn straight woman should have to register. Makes perfect sense. Besides, homosexual men shouldn't be the only ones getting a piece of "ass" :-/ in the military.


Now that the Pentagon is lifting its ban on women in combat, does this mean that women could potentially be drafted, too?

And as a practical matter: When women turn 18, will they now need to register, as men do, so that they can be conscripted in the event of a World War III, or any military emergency where the US government decides it needs troops quickly?

It’s a thorny question, raising what may be a difficult prospect societally. But the legal implications are obvious, analysts argue.

“The answer to that question is clearly yes,” says Anne Coughlin, a law professor at the University of Virginia School of Law in Charlottesville. “The legal argument is clear: If it comes to that kind of wrenching emergency where we have to press young people into service, there is no legal justification for saying that men alone need to shoulder that burden.”

The wars of the past decade in Iraq and Afghanistan have been fought by an all-volunteer force, since the US military discontinued the draft in 1973. Males between the ages of 18 and 25, however, are still required to register for the Selective Service.

Once the combat exclusion policy is lifted, “My belief is that if we open up combat arms to women, even on a voluntary basis, if there is a draft, we should be able to force women into those positions,” says retired Col. Peter Mansoor, a professor of military history at the Ohio State University in Columbus and a former US Army brigade commander who served two tours in Iraq.

“If women are acceptable to serve in combat, they are acceptable to serve whether they volunteer or not. You can’t have the frosting on the cake and not the cake underneath,” he says.

Legal precedent backs this up, adds Professor Coughlin, who has advised plaintiffs in lawsuits to overturn the Pentagon’s combat exclusion policy – in particular a US Supreme Court case in 1981, Rostker v. Goldberg. In that suit, men argued that the draft is unconstitutional because only men are required by law to register. The Supreme Court rejected the premise of lawsuit.

“The court ruled that the Selective Service process is designed to assemble combat-ready people, and right now women are excluded from combat arms,” Coughlin says. “Therefore they can’t participate in the very thing that the draft is for. Hence, it’s appropriate and constitutional to continue to exclude women from the draft.”

Yet in overturning combat exclusion for women, “The male-only draft falls as well, no question about it,” she adds.

Critics of women in combat argue that culturally, the prospect of women being drafted might make the country reluctant to go to war.

To that, Professor Mansoor says, “It should be: That’s exactly the debate the country needs to have.”

But while the notion of women being drafted “may add some measure of hesitancy to the decision, I don’t see it as swinging the decision,” he says.

Even so, “Congress and the president should agonize over going to war. Questions of war should be difficult,” Mansoor adds. “They should not be as easy as they’ve been in the past 10 years.”
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Well they want to be equal in this so... yeah.

    Personally I think it's stupid and going to fail.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    "Can't have just the icing without the cake beneath it".

    I think it's ridik for women in combat, but if they want it then it should be fair, meaning they should have to register for draft.
  • otter
    otter Posts: 772
    There is no draft.

    This will result in ZERO good.
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    edited January 2013
    Ahhhh

    Utopia

    It's called the selective service system and males have to register when they turn 18. It's purpose is to provide the government with a list of potential soldiers in the event of a war.

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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Wait, since when was there a ban on women in combat? After private lynch???
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    I honor both men and women who serve.

    To be clear on topic however

    "The groundbreaking move recommended by the Joint Chiefs of Staff overturns a 1994 rule banning women from being assigned to smaller ground combat units. Panetta's decision gives the military services until January 2016 to seek special exceptions if they believe any positions must remain closed to women."

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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Damn straight woman should have to register. Makes perfect sense. Besides, homosexual men shouldn't be the only ones getting a piece of "ass" :-/ in the military.
    Who are you trying to ridicule with this one, women or gays?

    For all practical purposes, women have been serving in combat roles for the past decade. It's a done deal, just policy catching up with reality.

    And of course women should have to register and be subject to the draft. That should have been the case when there actually was a draft. The debate about registering is fairly pointless though, since nobody is being called up.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    If the draft is so pointless I'd like to have my name removed from the system, please...
  • Besides, homosexual men shouldn't be the only ones getting a piece of "ass" :-/ in the military.

    I realize that you're just trying to cause shit with your obtuse, obnoxious, sexist, racist, homophobic bullshit like usual and I should know better.

    But nobody is getting ass in combat.

    Since you're too much of a wuss to enlist, I can tell you that while guns and firing, bombs are dropping and bullets are flying past your head, the last thing on your mind is blowing the guy next to you.

    As far as registering for the draft... there is no draft. Registering for it is a silly, out-dated bullshit exercise left over from the Reagan cold war head-in-ass syndrome he had. It's never going to happen. And if it did, you know that you'd run screaming for mommy as fast as you could.
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    If the draft is so pointless I'd like to have my name removed from the system, please...
    Like POD said, it's an outdated relic from the Cold War. If the draft isn't going to be used--and it obviously isn't, since we've been at war for 10+ years without it--there should be no more registration. Beats me why it's still a requirement.

    I think if the draft still existed we'd never have gone to war in Iraq. But that's another thread.
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  • brianlux
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    If the draft is so pointless I'd like to have my name removed from the system, please...
    Like POD said, it's an outdated relic from the Cold War. If the draft isn't going to be used--and it obviously isn't, since we've been at war for 10+ years without it--there should be no more registration. Beats me why it's still a requirement.

    I think if the draft still existed we'd never have gone to war in Iraq. But that's another thread.

    But you've got me curious, Who Princess, as to how that would work out. My immediate reaction is, "Wouldn't it be just the opposite" but I don't know either way. Can you fill in a bit more?
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    If the draft is so pointless I'd like to have my name removed from the system, please...
    Like POD said, it's an outdated relic from the Cold War. If the draft isn't going to be used--and it obviously isn't, since we've been at war for 10+ years without it--there should be no more registration. Beats me why it's still a requirement.

    I think if the draft still existed we'd never have gone to war in Iraq. But that's another thread.

    And I see that....

    So why not get rid of it? Take that option off the table completely...
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    As far as registering for the draft... there is no draft. Registering for it is a silly, out-dated bullshit exercise left over from the Reagan cold war head-in-ass syndrome he had. It's never going to happen. And if it did, you know that you'd run screaming for mommy as fast as you could.



    C'mon man, this was law way before Reagan was around.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    the draft is pointless. we have a better force when it is all voluntary, remember?

    i say get rid of the selective service process.

    either that, or reinstitute the draft. perhaps out leadership will be more cautious with starting wars and international interventions if they knew that their children might have to go fight.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Our current military strength is built on technology, not brute force. The draft is a dead relic of the past.
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  • i think the changing of the "rules" of war has a lot to do with letting women fight. there was a time when there was a front line and that's where the majority of the danger was. nowadays with roadside bombs and guerilla warfare, there really isn't a front line. the front line is everywhere. women have just as much a chance as men do of being ambushed while driving or blown up. they should be trained to act accordingly.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Damn straight woman should have to register. Makes perfect sense. Besides, homosexual men shouldn't be the only ones getting a piece of "ass" :-/ in the military.

    wow dude. Stooping to a new low.

    and...honest question... What is the likelihood that the draft will EVER be implemented in the US in the future?
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  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    i think the changing of the "rules" of war has a lot to do with letting women fight. there was a time when there was a front line and that's where the majority of the danger was. nowadays with roadside bombs and guerilla warfare, there really isn't a front line. the front line is everywhere. women have just as much a chance as men do of being ambushed while driving or blown up. they should be trained to act accordingly.
    This is a pretty good point, though I would argue that it's not quite as clear-cut as stated here. That is, there are still zones that are far more dangerous than others, though they might not be definable as a clear "front line". This recent change in policy will place women in those hot zones, so I think it's a pretty clear escalation of the danger American women at war will face.
  • unsung wrote:
    As far as registering for the draft... there is no draft. Registering for it is a silly, out-dated bullshit exercise left over from the Reagan cold war head-in-ass syndrome he had. It's never going to happen. And if it did, you know that you'd run screaming for mommy as fast as you could.



    C'mon man, this was law way before Reagan was around.


    I realize that being a Ron Paul supporter means you not bother reading up on stuff before you say things.


    So quick history lesson.

    After the draft was ended following massive public backlash in the wake of Vietnam.... Jimmy Carter brought in a "register for the draft for no particular reason or war" and while candidate Reagan was dead-set against it, president Reagan not only extended it, he made it permanent.

    Carter had made the draft law he brought in a sort of short-lived one, Reagan made it a "forever" one.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    Damn straight woman should have to register. Makes perfect sense. Besides, homosexual men shouldn't be the only ones getting a piece of "ass" :-/ in the military.


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