Obama's new gun control laws...

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Well, I disagree. I think this kind of thing is part of his job. In Canada, our PM does what you think Obama ought to do, and everyone accuses him (accurately) of nondisclosure.

this is absolutely true. all we ever hear from Harper is the other parties complaining about what he's done/hasn't done, and the media reporting on it.

invisible leaders are not leaders at all.

First, Obama is a terrible leader. Making speeches and pontificating on what others are to blame for (or will be or should be) does not a leader make. (Which is what is included in EVERY one of his speeches. It's actually quite amazing that he finds a way to wag or point his finger in EVERY speech especially for the number he gives).

But - invisible? There's not a medium? It's either you speak every day or you're invisible? Okie dokie. Teleprompt away!

JimmyV wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

this is absolutely true. all we ever hear from Harper is the other parties complaining about what he's done/hasn't done, and the media reporting on it.

invisible leaders are not leaders at all.

Exactly. And if Obama had not presented these proposals in person the right would have been howling that he doesn't even take the issue seriously and FOX would have mocked whatever he was doing yesterday afternoon. Some criticisms are hard to take seriously.

That's the point - who cares what FOX or MSNBC or NBC or the media says? He won the election. Now get to work. I pay your salary. Get the fuck to work. I don't want to hear you, Boehner, Reid, McConnell or anyone else say another fucking word until you pass something.

Debate on the floor. Not in the camera.

EdsonNascimento wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

this is absolutely true. all we ever hear from Harper is the other parties complaining about what he's done/hasn't done, and the media reporting on it.

invisible leaders are not leaders at all.

Exactly. And if Obama had not presented these proposals in person the right would have been howling that he doesn't even take the issue seriously and FOX would have mocked whatever he was doing yesterday afternoon. Some criticisms are hard to take seriously.

That's the point - who cares what FOX or MSNBC or NBC or the media says? He won the election. Now get to work. I pay your salary. Get the fuck to work. I don't want to hear you, Boehner, Reid, McConnell or anyone else say another fucking word until you pass something.

Debate on the floor. Not in the camera.

The President doesn't debate, on the floor or anywhere else. That is not his function. Obama handled this as well as could be expected. Because he has been at work.

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Well, I disagree. I think this kind of thing is part of his job. In Canada, our PM does what you think Obama ought to do, and everyone accuses him (accurately) of nondisclosure.

this is absolutely true. all we ever hear from Harper is the other parties complaining about what he's done/hasn't done, and the media reporting on it.

invisible leaders are not leaders at all.

First, Obama is a terrible leader. Making speeches and pontificating on what others are to blame for (or will be or should be) does not a leader make. (Which is what is included in EVERY one of his speeches. It's actually quite amazing that he finds a way to wag or point his finger in EVERY speech especially for the number he gives).

But - invisible? There's not a medium? It's either you speak every day or you're invisible? Okie dokie. Teleprompt away!

I just think that the number of speeches he does is perfectly appropriate, and so are the topics. I don't get what all the complaining is about if. If you don't like his speeches, I guess don't listen to them, right? I mean, if they're so useless, then you really don't need to torture yourself by hearing them.

JimmyV wrote:

Republicans have mother ships.

this might be my new signature

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

of course there's middle ground, Mr. Literal.

and I wasn't aware that Obama spoke publicly every day. you know that all the "reporting" Fox news does on him isn't live footage, right?

Actually, I don't b/c I can't tell you the last time I watched Fox News. It might also surprise you that I don't listen to Rush. I'm pretty sure he's on in the mid-day here, so if I'm in my car, it's Mike Francesa or music.

But, keep trying to negate other folks' points by saying Fox news, Rush Limbagh, you're Republican. I find it funny you called me Mr. Literal then commented on my every day speech thing. :oops:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Republicans have mother ships.

this might be my new signature

It's offensive, but also hilarious. Frankly I think it's too funny to be original material, no offense JimmyV.

MotoDC wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Republicans have mother ships.

this might be my new signature

It's offensive, but also hilarious. Frankly I think it's too funny to be original material, no offense JimmyV.

No offense intended! Not really at least. A couplafew years back Limbaugh's show changed stations here in Boston. The marketing campaign to make sure people knew about the change was the most extensive I have ever seen. It was just billboards and print ads. They actually bought/rented a fleet of vans, painted an ad with the announcement on them, and then drove them around the city with speakers announcing he was changing stations. I kid you not, it really felt like a mother ship beaming out an announcement to her drones.

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

of course there's middle ground, Mr. Literal.

and I wasn't aware that Obama spoke publicly every day. you know that all the "reporting" Fox news does on him isn't live footage, right?

Actually, I don't b/c I can't tell you the last time I watched Fox News. It might also surprise you that I don't listen to Rush. I'm pretty sure he's on in the mid-day here, so if I'm in my car, it's Mike Francesa or music.

But, keep trying to negate other folks' points by saying Fox news, Rush Limbagh, you're Republican. I find it funny you called me Mr. Literal then commented on my every day speech thing. :oops:

I didn't think anyone listened to Rush anymore except Rush.

EdsonNascimento wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

No offense intended! Not really at least. A couplafew years back Limbaugh's show changed stations here in Boston. The marketing campaign to make sure people knew about the change was the most extensive I have ever seen. It was just billboards and print ads. They actually bought/rented a fleet of vans, painted an ad with the announcement on them, and then drove them around the city with speakers announcing he was changing stations. I kid you not, it really felt like a mother ship beaming out an announcement to her drones.

Interesting what free market and financial incentive will make folks do.

Did he suceed? I haven't heard, so if you could, please let me know if this free market campaign worked..

Probably. I don't know what his ratings are offhand. I think his followers followed him.