No ma'am, I won't register my guns

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2013

hypothetical for gun folks:

a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?

mikepegg44 · January 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hypothetical for gun folks:

a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?

I am not necessarily a gun guy, more of a gun rights guy

More than likely the CCW permit holder broke the law when they carried in the mall.

A CCW permit holder should be treated just as if a police officer shoots an innocent bystander if the mall didn't ban guns, if they did ban guns I would bet that some form of criminal charges would be brought against them depending on the recommendations of the DA and the family of the innocent kid.

If a police man took out the shooter and hit that same innocent bystander, are they a hero or a murderer?

Cliffy6745 · January 2013

Um, dude posted pictures of a bunch of black rappers and said that they will start murdering people if their pot was taken away?

Did that just happen?

Did that really just happen?

If lil wayne can't smoke pot he is going to start murdering people?

Racist much?

JonnyPistachio · January 2013

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Um, dude posted pictures of a bunch of black rappers and said that they will start murdering people if their pot was taken away?

Did that just happen?

Did that really just happen?

If lil wayne can't smoke pot he is going to start murdering people?

Racist much?

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hypothetical for gun folks:

a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?

I am not necessarily a gun guy, more of a gun rights guy

More than likely the CCW permit holder broke the law when they carried in the mall.

A CCW permit holder should be treated just as if a police officer shoots an innocent bystander if the mall didn't ban guns, if they did ban guns I would bet that some form of criminal charges would be brought against them depending on the recommendations of the DA and the family of the innocent kid.

If a police man took out the shooter and hit that same innocent bystander, are they a hero or a murderer?

I'd say he's a terrible cop and should lose is job, at the very least.

fine. forget the mall. you got all caught up in the mall thing. let's say this scenario plays out in an area where guns are allowed. now answer the question.

a gun weilding citizen should be treated the same as a cop? really? that's giving society WAY too much power.

mickeyrat · January 2013

how about all you legally obtained gun owners join a well regulated militia like the first words of the amendment fucking state and I'll shut up.

Adhere to it AS written and not by a wrong OPINION of a hack judge. As far as I know there was no amendment to the 2nd amendment. Man up, join your local well regulated militia today!!!!

dudeman · January 2013

Anyone who fires a gun is responsible for every single round they fire. No exceptions. It is critical for someone to know their target and what is beyond it. The person in your scenario would be charged with negligent homicide and probably would face a civil suit.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hypothetical for gun folks:

a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?

I am not necessarily a gun guy, more of a gun rights guy

More than likely the CCW permit holder broke the law when they carried in the mall.

A CCW permit holder should be treated just as if a police officer shoots an innocent bystander if the mall didn't ban guns, if they did ban guns I would bet that some form of criminal charges would be brought against them depending on the recommendations of the DA and the family of the innocent kid.

If a police man took out the shooter and hit that same innocent bystander, are they a hero or a murderer?

I'd say he's a terrible cop and should lose is job, at the very least.

fine. forget the mall. you got all caught up in the mall thing. let's say this scenario plays out in an area where guns are allowed. now answer the question.

a gun weilding citizen should be treated the same as a cop? really? that's giving society WAY too much power.

usamamasan1 · January 2013

Now that is a great answer to a baited question.

usamamasan1 · January 2013

what a interesting perspective.

The assault on gun rights is an assault on women.

As demographic, American women are purchasing firearms at the greatest rate in our nation’s history.
But at the peak, the President and the left, are making a concerted effort to demonize gun ownership and put strict gun controls on law abiding American citizens, which includes women.

One left wing news publication in New York even went so far as to publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners in areas of New York, as if to shame them.

Perhaps they didn’t realize when they published these names; they exposed women who were gun owners trying to keep their identities and residences secret in order to evade stalkers. This publication also outed the names and addresses of women judges and police officers, who were legal gun owners.

The two biggest gun control cities in the US; Chicago and New York City, are already shooting galleries, in spite of their tough gun laws. Law abiding citizens find it difficult to possess a legal firearm, yet the criminals and gangsters are heavily armed….They don’t register their guns and they have high capacity ammunition magazines, in spite of them being illegal.

Just last week, a Georgia woman alone at home with her two young children was terrified to see a man breaking into her house using a crowbar. She gathered up her children and ran upstairs hiding in a crawl space as the man searched the house looking for them.

The intruder finally opened the door to the hiding space. But instead of finding helpless victims, he was greeted with 6 shots from a pistol. She shot the criminal 5 times in the face and neck, when the hammer came down on an empty cylinder.

The gun was empty, but the criminal didn’t know it. She told him she would keep shooting if he didn’t stop. Although severely wounded he was able to get out of the house and climb into his car and drive away, thinking the woman would shoot again.

If he knew she had no more bullets in her gun would he have harmed her and her children? Suppose there were 2 or more intruders? She would not have had enough ammunition to defend herself and her children.

Of course the police arrived later to take reports…But they weren’t there when they were needed.

Many women live alone and want the security of owning a firearm and know how to safely use it. If they want to own a semi automatic rifle with a high capacity magazine, as long as they are law abiding citizens, let them. President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, Governor’s Cuomo, or Emmanuel, can’t guarantee law abiding citizens a crime free environment, in spite of all of their laws. These politicians should deal with the criminal and mental health problem that that they refuse to address, before they infringe on the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens.

In spite of the pathetic attempt to wave a magic wand and declare a location a “gun free zone” and make it all better, this has proven to have the opposite effect, as the recent mass shootings have all occurred in “gun free zones.”

Just like many utopian run cities and locations used to proudly boast they were nuclear free zones, they of course would get incinerated just as crisply as their neighboring cities if a nuke went off near them.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees American citizens, including women, the right to bear arms and it shall not be infringed upon.

http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/ ... 78822.html

JimmyV · January 2013

usamamasan1 wrote:

what a interesting perspective.

The assault on gun rights is an assault on women.

As demographic, American women are purchasing firearms at the greatest rate in our nation’s history.
But at the peak, the President and the left, are making a concerted effort to demonize gun ownership and put strict gun controls on law abiding American citizens, which includes women.

One left wing news publication in New York even went so far as to publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners in areas of New York, as if to shame them.

Perhaps they didn’t realize when they published these names; they exposed women who were gun owners trying to keep their identities and residences secret in order to evade stalkers. This publication also outed the names and addresses of women judges and police officers, who were legal gun owners.

The two biggest gun control cities in the US; Chicago and New York City, are already shooting galleries, in spite of their tough gun laws. Law abiding citizens find it difficult to possess a legal firearm, yet the criminals and gangsters are heavily armed….They don’t register their guns and they have high capacity ammunition magazines, in spite of them being illegal.

Just last week, a Georgia woman alone at home with her two young children was terrified to see a man breaking into her house using a crowbar. She gathered up her children and ran upstairs hiding in a crawl space as the man searched the house looking for them.

The intruder finally opened the door to the hiding space. But instead of finding helpless victims, he was greeted with 6 shots from a pistol. She shot the criminal 5 times in the face and neck, when the hammer came down on an empty cylinder.

The gun was empty, but the criminal didn’t know it. She told him she would keep shooting if he didn’t stop. Although severely wounded he was able to get out of the house and climb into his car and drive away, thinking the woman would shoot again.

If he knew she had no more bullets in her gun would he have harmed her and her children? Suppose there were 2 or more intruders? She would not have had enough ammunition to defend herself and her children.

Of course the police arrived later to take reports…But they weren’t there when they were needed.

Many women live alone and want the security of owning a firearm and know how to safely use it. If they want to own a semi automatic rifle with a high capacity magazine, as long as they are law abiding citizens, let them. President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, Governor’s Cuomo, or Emmanuel, can’t guarantee law abiding citizens a crime free environment, in spite of all of their laws. These politicians should deal with the criminal and mental health problem that that they refuse to address, before they infringe on the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens.

In spite of the pathetic attempt to wave a magic wand and declare a location a “gun free zone” and make it all better, this has proven to have the opposite effect, as the recent mass shootings have all occurred in “gun free zones.”

Just like many utopian run cities and locations used to proudly boast they were nuclear free zones, they of course would get incinerated just as crisply as their neighboring cities if a nuke went off near them.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees American citizens, including women, the right to bear arms and it shall not be infringed upon.

http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/ ... 78822.html

Amazing seeing as how, when written, the Constitution did not grant women the right to vote, never mind bear arms.

push me and i will resist · January 2013

You gun loving types make me sick. The lengths you will go to argue this shit is beyond me. You're a big reason why your country will not make any progress on these gun issues.
Keep arguing though and cut and pasting facts and stats that aren't yours though, it makes you seem smarter.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2013

usamamasan1 wrote:

Now that is a great answer to a baited question.

it was a great answer. but it wasn't a baited question.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2013

usamamasan1 wrote:

what a interesting perspective.

The assault on gun rights is an assault on women.

As demographic, American women are purchasing firearms at the greatest rate in our nation’s history.
But at the peak, the President and the left, are making a concerted effort to demonize gun ownership and put strict gun controls on law abiding American citizens, which includes women.

One left wing news publication in New York even went so far as to publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners in areas of New York, as if to shame them.

Perhaps they didn’t realize when they published these names; they exposed women who were gun owners trying to keep their identities and residences secret in order to evade stalkers. This publication also outed the names and addresses of women judges and police officers, who were legal gun owners.

The two biggest gun control cities in the US; Chicago and New York City, are already shooting galleries, in spite of their tough gun laws. Law abiding citizens find it difficult to possess a legal firearm, yet the criminals and gangsters are heavily armed….They don’t register their guns and they have high capacity ammunition magazines, in spite of them being illegal.

Just last week, a Georgia woman alone at home with her two young children was terrified to see a man breaking into her house using a crowbar. She gathered up her children and ran upstairs hiding in a crawl space as the man searched the house looking for them.

The intruder finally opened the door to the hiding space. But instead of finding helpless victims, he was greeted with 6 shots from a pistol. She shot the criminal 5 times in the face and neck, when the hammer came down on an empty cylinder.

The gun was empty, but the criminal didn’t know it. She told him she would keep shooting if he didn’t stop. Although severely wounded he was able to get out of the house and climb into his car and drive away, thinking the woman would shoot again.

If he knew she had no more bullets in her gun would he have harmed her and her children? Suppose there were 2 or more intruders? She would not have had enough ammunition to defend herself and her children.

Of course the police arrived later to take reports…But they weren’t there when they were needed.

Many women live alone and want the security of owning a firearm and know how to safely use it. If they want to own a semi automatic rifle with a high capacity magazine, as long as they are law abiding citizens, let them. President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, Governor’s Cuomo, or Emmanuel, can’t guarantee law abiding citizens a crime free environment, in spite of all of their laws. These politicians should deal with the criminal and mental health problem that that they refuse to address, before they infringe on the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens.

In spite of the pathetic attempt to wave a magic wand and declare a location a “gun free zone” and make it all better, this has proven to have the opposite effect, as the recent mass shootings have all occurred in “gun free zones.”

Just like many utopian run cities and locations used to proudly boast they were nuclear free zones, they of course would get incinerated just as crisply as their neighboring cities if a nuke went off near them.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees American citizens, including women, the right to bear arms and it shall not be infringed upon.

http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/ ... 78822.html

more politics of fear.

81 · January 2013

why do non US citizens care so much about our politics?

PJ_Soul · January 2013

81 wrote:

why do non US citizens care so much about our politics?

Canadians are strongly impacted US politics and law. We pay close attention because it matters and affects us too.

81 · January 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

81 wrote:

why do non US citizens care so much about our politics?

Canadians are strongly impacted US politics and law. We pay close attention because it matters and affects us too.

little more specific....

why do non US citizens care so much about OUR gun laws

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2013

81 wrote:

why do non US citizens care so much about our politics?

many of us have family and friends who live there that are directly impacted. I don't want my nieces gunned down at school by some over zealous armed security guard.

JimmyV · January 2013

81 wrote:

why do non US citizens care so much about our politics?

One reason...I have driven into Canada at least a dozen times and never had my car searched. It would be incredibly easy to load up my trunk with legally bought firearms in the US to be sold on the Canadian black market.

PJ_Soul · January 2013

81 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

81 wrote:

why do non US citizens care so much about our politics?

Canadians are strongly impacted US politics and law. We pay close attention because it matters and affects us too.

little more specific....

why do non US citizens care so much about OUR gun laws

I can only speak for Canadians, but your gun laws matter to us because we share a massive and largely unprotected boarder over which guns travel, the Canadian government tends to react to US laws in kind (i.e. your laws can affect the progression or changes in our laws), and we also feel a close connection to American society in as far as us feeling affected when there are mass shootings in the US. Also, our societies are very similar in many ways - we study what's going on in the US (including gun laws/gun culture) and use it a kind of barometer for our own actions and viewpoints (and in some cases as an example of what not to do). And finally, a lot of us have friends and/or family in the US, and also spend a lot of time in the US ourselves.

JimmyV · January 2013

Posted this in the gun thread that just got locked. I think it has some relevance. Ronald Reagan was apparently in favor of some gun control and, therefore, a threat to our freedom and liberty.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ntrol.html

No ma'am, I won't register my guns

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