nope. you are saying guns don't kill, people. partially correct. but that massacre wouldn't have happened without his gun either.
unless you think he could have created the same carnage with a butter knife?
or even a single shot rifle?
I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.
Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?
And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?
look, it's obvious there's a major communication breakdown issue with this thread. Have I said I hate guns? Yes. Have I said I wish they'd all go away? Yes. But have I also said I agree with any person's right to have a handgun or rifle at their disposal at home, properly stored and registered? YES.
NO ONE IS ADVOCATING, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE COMPLETE BAN OF ALL FIREARMS. Just anything that is semi-or fully-automatic. You don't need those for hunting, you don't need those for protection.
End of story.
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Yes they do. You can't commit a massacre with a knife. If that prick at that school the other week hadn't been able to easily get his hands on anything but a knife, or even a single shot rifle, the majority of those kids would still be alive today.
I mean, I realize that none of them were your kids, but still.
nope. you are saying guns don't kill, people. partially correct. but that massacre wouldn't have happened without his gun either.
unless you think he could have created the same carnage with a butter knife?
or even a single shot rifle?
I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.
Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?
And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?
I'm glad you asked that question about cancer. You actually do BOTH.
And yes, spoons are used a TOOL to make people fat. when LOADED AND LEFT BY YOUR BEDSIDE.
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Yes they do. You can't commit a massacre with a knife. If that prick at that school the other week hadn't been able to easily get his hands on anything but a knife, or even a single shot rifle, the majority of those kids would still be alive today.
I mean, I realize that none of them were your kids, but still.
I'm glad you guys don't care about the Sandy Hook every two weeks in Chicago with the black kids getting killed, you might actually get somewhere with your disarmament of the law-abiding public.
I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.
Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?
And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?
I'm glad you asked that question about cancer. You actually do BOTH.
And yes, spoons are used a TOOL to make people fat. when LOADED AND LEFT BY YOUR BEDSIDE.
can we say that we finally agree that this is what needs to be done? what I/we've been saying all along?
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As long as you can agree that disarming the law-abiding is not involved, by any means.
I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.
Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?
And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?
I'm glad you asked that question about cancer. You actually do BOTH.
And yes, spoons are used a TOOL to make people fat. when LOADED AND LEFT BY YOUR BEDSIDE.
can we say that we finally agree that this is what needs to be done? what I/we've been saying all along?
Yes, if you can't immediately cure it, you work to see if there are other avenues to limit its negative effects. We can do both, especially if getting to the root of the problem is proving to be so difficult considering we have nearly 300,000,000 guns in the USA.
As long as you can agree that disarming the law-abiding is not involved, by any means.
so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?
Do you know what it takes to get an automatic firearm? ***on a side note your argument would look much better if you dropped the assault word*** I can't get one. They are illegal to own in my state. So yeah go ahead and ban them, lol. They already are.
As long as you can agree that disarming the law-abiding is not involved, by any means.
so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?
Do you know what it takes to get an automatic firearm? ***on a side note your argument would look much better if you dropped the assault word*** I can't get one. They are illegal to own in my state. So yeah go ahead and ban them, lol. They already are.
The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.
Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
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I am afraid this is the direction the leftists and liberals are taking us on the second amendment rights.
You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.
You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it...
In the darkness, you make out two shadows.
One holds something that looks like a crowbar.
When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.
The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.
One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door
and lurches outside.
As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
In your country, most guns were outlawed years before,
and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..
Yours was never registered..
Police arrive and inform you
that the second burglar has died.
They arrest you for First Degree Murder
and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.
When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry:
authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.
"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.
"Only ten-to-twelve years,"
he replies, as if that's nothing.
"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
The next day, the shooting is the lead
story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.
Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..
Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.
But the next day's headline says it all:
"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."
The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..
As the days wear on, the story takes wings.
The national media picks it up,
then the international media.
The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.
Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.
The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and
that you've been critical of local police for their lack
of effort in apprehending the suspects.
After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.
The District Attorney uses this to allege
that you were lying in wait for the burglars.
A few months later, you go to trial.
The charges haven't been reduced,
as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.
When you take the stand, your anger at
the injustice of it all works against you..
Prosecutors paint a picture of you
as a mean, vengeful man.
It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.
This case really happened.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.
In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..
How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.
This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and
established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..
Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and
mandated the registration of all shotguns.
Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.
Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the street shooting everyone he saw.
When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.
The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)
Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scotland,
Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.
For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm's
still owned by private citizens.
During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights,
the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened,
claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.
Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."
All of Tony Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection
trashed or stolen by burglars.
When the Dunblane Inquiry ended,
citizens who owned handguns
were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.
Being good British subjects,
most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police
and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.
Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.
How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?
WAKE UP AMERICA;
THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know..
You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here, if he can get it done.
And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.
:shock: this is awesome and scary and of course ignored :fp:
No way will we allow this in America.
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The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.
Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
Not really sure where you are going on this, but thanks for confirming what I said.
The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.
Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
Not really sure where you are going on this, but thanks for confirming what I said.
it's an assault weapon that is no longer banned. which means it's legal.
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It is not an automatic weapon.
You asked, "so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?"
I answered.
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If you are going to make an argument at least know what you are arguing for.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.
In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..
You really, really need to get your facts right and it would be interesting to also quote your source(I will not quote your whole post).
First of all, it has been more than alleged he made several false claims of burglary in previous years. The got hold of an illegal pump action shotgun (supposedly 'found'). Of course he never told anyone of this find as he did know he was supposed to have a firearms certificate and he would not get one as his shotgun certificate had been revoked for already having been 'twitchy' with the gun.
Also, he was convicted of murder by a jury as his story of shooting the guys from upstairs (eg, the waking up hearing the thump..., etc. drama) which was scientifically debunked. The jury could have found him guilty of manslaughter but they didn't after hearing all the evidence. One 'can' kill another in self defence but this was more than that.
He appealed this conviction on grounds of diminished responsibility and had his sentence reduced to manslaughter. He was not released on parole as he was seen as a danger to society (a bit too trigger happy).
He was released after 3 years, maximum he could serve.
So you see... he is NOT serving a life sentence, is was dodgy to start with, he knew what he was doing, keeping the 'found' gun illegally and he lied during his trial.
And no, the press did not see the burglar as a folk hero....
Dublane - School massacre - shocking and so, so sad. Government took action. Has there been another school massacre like this in the UK? Nope. And guess what - the UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicide in the world. Generally, police are unarmed and deaths are minimal. Do citizens live in fear of the lives all the time, everywhere because they can't have guns? Nope.
Has there been another school massacre like this in the UK? Nope. And guess what - the UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicide in the world. Generally, police are unarmed and deaths are minimal. Do citizens live in fear of the lives all the time, everywhere because they can't have guns? Nope.
Just setting the record straight.
Your utopian society sounds delightful. Me, I can't get over the "paranoia". Not sure why, mankind is such an honest, peace loving people. I am sure if/when an "event" happens and my lights are on and belly full, nobody will try to steal from me if I am unarmed. I mean, how long does someone go without food and water before they start to feel a bit antsy? Must be a long time eh?
Bad Guy Lost. Guess calling the cops wasn't enough.
A Georgia mother shot an ex-convict six times to protect her and her children after he apparently forced his way into the family’s home.
The mom heard knocks on her front door Friday and assumed it was just a solicitor, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.
She told her 9-year-old twins not to answer the door and, when the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at his job and he told her to gather the children and hide.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver.”
- Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman
According to the Journal-Constitution, the father then dialed 911 and his wife, who works from a home office, hid with the children in a crawlspace.
By that time, according to the paper, the intruder had used a crowbar to forcibly enter the home, and made his way to the home office.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater, who has arrests dating to 2008 and was released from jail in August, was still conscious.
“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.
While down, the woman and her children ran to a neighbor’s house, and the injured intruder made it out of the home and into his car, the paper reported.
Authorities found Slater a short time later bleeding profusely in a neighbor’s driveway.
“I’m dying. Help me,” he told them, according to Chapman.
Slater was transported to Gwinnett Medical Center and is expected to survive, the sheriff said.
Bad Guy Lost. Guess calling the cops wasn't enough.
A Georgia mother shot an ex-convict six times to protect her and her children after he apparently forced his way into the family’s home.
The mom heard knocks on her front door Friday and assumed it was just a solicitor, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.
She told her 9-year-old twins not to answer the door and, when the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at his job and he told her to gather the children and hide.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver.”
- Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman
According to the Journal-Constitution, the father then dialed 911 and his wife, who works from a home office, hid with the children in a crawlspace.
By that time, according to the paper, the intruder had used a crowbar to forcibly enter the home, and made his way to the home office.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater, who has arrests dating to 2008 and was released from jail in August, was still conscious.
“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.
While down, the woman and her children ran to a neighbor’s house, and the injured intruder made it out of the home and into his car, the paper reported.
Authorities found Slater a short time later bleeding profusely in a neighbor’s driveway.
“I’m dying. Help me,” he told them, according to Chapman.
Slater was transported to Gwinnett Medical Center and is expected to survive, the sheriff said.
Someone breaks into our home, I'm not gonna take the time to figure out what he's there for. I don't have a gun, but I'd grab whatever's handy and do my best to take him down. Price paid for pulling shit like that.
It's not your home, asshole.
Anyway...all these gun threads, I wasn't sure where to put this...so here seems as good a place as any.
LA Unified School District now has police patrolling/visiting ALL of the schools in our district - all grade levels. And while on the one hand it seems like a wonderful thing - community coming together, make the kids feel all's well, etc. - it strikes me misguided and wasteful.
Taking cops away from locations/situations that really need them, having some "media relations" folks acting as the patrols, police visiting several schools throughout the course of the day...I don't know how this contributes to safety. I mean, someone wants to shoot shit up, they're not gonna be deterred by the possibility of a cop somewhere on the campus, nor by checkpoints like having to show ID to enter the premises.
Me, I can't get over the "paranoia". Not sure why, mankind is such an honest, peace loving people. I am sure if/when an "event" happens and my lights are on and belly full, nobody will try to steal from me if I am unarmed. I mean, how long does someone go without food and water before they start to feel a bit antsy? Must be a long time eh?
Cool - so the 'right to bear arms' is preparing one's self for the zombie apocalypse, or is it for when the government all of a sudden turns on it's citizens taking everything, even all of their food (including crops, seeds, etc.) and drink (including water :? ). Or are these the same thing? Guess the threat is just as 'real' whether one or the other...
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nope. you are saying guns don't kill, people. partially correct. but that massacre wouldn't have happened without his gun either.
unless you think he could have created the same carnage with a butter knife?
or even a single shot rifle?
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I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.
Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?
And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?
NO ONE IS ADVOCATING, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE COMPLETE BAN OF ALL FIREARMS. Just anything that is semi-or fully-automatic. You don't need those for hunting, you don't need those for protection.
End of story.
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Yes they do. You can't commit a massacre with a knife. If that prick at that school the other week hadn't been able to easily get his hands on anything but a knife, or even a single shot rifle, the majority of those kids would still be alive today.
I mean, I realize that none of them were your kids, but still.
I'm glad you asked that question about cancer. You actually do BOTH.
And yes, spoons are used a TOOL to make people fat. when LOADED AND LEFT BY YOUR BEDSIDE.
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I'm glad you guys don't care about the Sandy Hook every two weeks in Chicago with the black kids getting killed, you might actually get somewhere with your disarmament of the law-abiding public.
can we say that we finally agree that this is what needs to be done? what I/we've been saying all along?
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Yes, if you can't immediately cure it, you work to see if there are other avenues to limit its negative effects. We can do both, especially if getting to the root of the problem is proving to be so difficult considering we have nearly 300,000,000 guns in the USA.
so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?
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Do you know what it takes to get an automatic firearm? ***on a side note your argument would look much better if you dropped the assault word*** I can't get one. They are illegal to own in my state. So yeah go ahead and ban them, lol. They already are.
The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.
Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
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No way will we allow this in America.
Not really sure where you are going on this, but thanks for confirming what I said.
it's an assault weapon that is no longer banned. which means it's legal.
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You asked, "so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?"
I answered.
In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..
You really, really need to get your facts right and it would be interesting to also quote your source(I will not quote your whole post).
First of all, it has been more than alleged he made several false claims of burglary in previous years. The got hold of an illegal pump action shotgun (supposedly 'found'). Of course he never told anyone of this find as he did know he was supposed to have a firearms certificate and he would not get one as his shotgun certificate had been revoked for already having been 'twitchy' with the gun.
Also, he was convicted of murder by a jury as his story of shooting the guys from upstairs (eg, the waking up hearing the thump..., etc. drama) which was scientifically debunked. The jury could have found him guilty of manslaughter but they didn't after hearing all the evidence. One 'can' kill another in self defence but this was more than that.
He appealed this conviction on grounds of diminished responsibility and had his sentence reduced to manslaughter. He was not released on parole as he was seen as a danger to society (a bit too trigger happy).
He was released after 3 years, maximum he could serve.
So you see... he is NOT serving a life sentence, is was dodgy to start with, he knew what he was doing, keeping the 'found' gun illegally and he lied during his trial.
And no, the press did not see the burglar as a folk hero....
Dublane - School massacre - shocking and so, so sad. Government took action. Has there been another school massacre like this in the UK? Nope. And guess what - the UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicide in the world. Generally, police are unarmed and deaths are minimal. Do citizens live in fear of the lives all the time, everywhere because they can't have guns? Nope.
Just setting the record straight.
Your utopian society sounds delightful. Me, I can't get over the "paranoia". Not sure why, mankind is such an honest, peace loving people. I am sure if/when an "event" happens and my lights are on and belly full, nobody will try to steal from me if I am unarmed. I mean, how long does someone go without food and water before they start to feel a bit antsy? Must be a long time eh?
Just an example, to set the record straight.
A Georgia mother shot an ex-convict six times to protect her and her children after he apparently forced his way into the family’s home.
The mom heard knocks on her front door Friday and assumed it was just a solicitor, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.
She told her 9-year-old twins not to answer the door and, when the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at his job and he told her to gather the children and hide.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver.”
- Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman
According to the Journal-Constitution, the father then dialed 911 and his wife, who works from a home office, hid with the children in a crawlspace.
By that time, according to the paper, the intruder had used a crowbar to forcibly enter the home, and made his way to the home office.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater, who has arrests dating to 2008 and was released from jail in August, was still conscious.
“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.
While down, the woman and her children ran to a neighbor’s house, and the injured intruder made it out of the home and into his car, the paper reported.
Authorities found Slater a short time later bleeding profusely in a neighbor’s driveway.
“I’m dying. Help me,” he told them, according to Chapman.
Slater was transported to Gwinnett Medical Center and is expected to survive, the sheriff said.
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jesus h criminy. fine, I'll reword if you are going to argue semantics.
so, then are you saying that law abiding should be allowed guns in their homes other than handguns and single shot rifles?
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why do you keep arguing against nobody? no one is arguing against this type of situation. :fp:
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Someone breaks into our home, I'm not gonna take the time to figure out what he's there for. I don't have a gun, but I'd grab whatever's handy and do my best to take him down. Price paid for pulling shit like that.
It's not your home, asshole.
Anyway...all these gun threads, I wasn't sure where to put this...so here seems as good a place as any.
LA Unified School District now has police patrolling/visiting ALL of the schools in our district - all grade levels. And while on the one hand it seems like a wonderful thing - community coming together, make the kids feel all's well, etc. - it strikes me misguided and wasteful.
Taking cops away from locations/situations that really need them, having some "media relations" folks acting as the patrols, police visiting several schools throughout the course of the day...I don't know how this contributes to safety. I mean, someone wants to shoot shit up, they're not gonna be deterred by the possibility of a cop somewhere on the campus, nor by checkpoints like having to show ID to enter the premises.
he sure does. listen to his interview. total whacko.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2078637419001/
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Cool - so the 'right to bear arms' is preparing one's self for the zombie apocalypse, or is it for when the government all of a sudden turns on it's citizens taking everything, even all of their food (including crops, seeds, etc.) and drink (including water :? ). Or are these the same thing? Guess the threat is just as 'real' whether one or the other...
Well it isn't semantics. And yes, without question.
well then we're back to square one. why the hell anyone needs anything more than a handgun or single shot rifle in their home is beyond me.
I think I have to be done with this for now at least. This discussion pretty much leads nowhere.
Good luck, Barrack.
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Hard to duck hunt with those two now isn't it?
Need a shotgun too, at least.
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