No ma'am, I won't register my guns

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    USA dont need UN troops on US soil...


    Good enough for me.
  • unsung wrote:
    Are you actually comparing me to him?


    nope. you are saying guns don't kill, people. partially correct. but that massacre wouldn't have happened without his gun either.

    unless you think he could have created the same carnage with a butter knife?

    or even a single shot rifle?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    unsung wrote:
    Are you actually comparing me to him?


    nope. you are saying guns don't kill, people. partially correct. but that massacre wouldn't have happened without his gun either.

    unless you think he could have created the same carnage with a butter knife?

    or even a single shot rifle?


    I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.

    Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?


    And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?
  • look, it's obvious there's a major communication breakdown issue with this thread. Have I said I hate guns? Yes. Have I said I wish they'd all go away? Yes. But have I also said I agree with any person's right to have a handgun or rifle at their disposal at home, properly stored and registered? YES.

    NO ONE IS ADVOCATING, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE COMPLETE BAN OF ALL FIREARMS. Just anything that is semi-or fully-automatic. You don't need those for hunting, you don't need those for protection.

    End of story.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    unsung wrote:
    And no, guns don't kill people.

    Yes they do. You can't commit a massacre with a knife. If that prick at that school the other week hadn't been able to easily get his hands on anything but a knife, or even a single shot rifle, the majority of those kids would still be alive today.
    I mean, I realize that none of them were your kids, but still.
  • unsung wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Are you actually comparing me to him?


    nope. you are saying guns don't kill, people. partially correct. but that massacre wouldn't have happened without his gun either.

    unless you think he could have created the same carnage with a butter knife?

    or even a single shot rifle?


    I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.

    Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?


    And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?

    I'm glad you asked that question about cancer. You actually do BOTH.

    And yes, spoons are used a TOOL to make people fat. when LOADED AND LEFT BY YOUR BEDSIDE.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Byrnzie wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    And no, guns don't kill people.

    Yes they do. You can't commit a massacre with a knife. If that prick at that school the other week hadn't been able to easily get his hands on anything but a knife, or even a single shot rifle, the majority of those kids would still be alive today.
    I mean, I realize that none of them were your kids, but still.

    I'm glad you guys don't care about the Sandy Hook every two weeks in Chicago with the black kids getting killed, you might actually get somewhere with your disarmament of the law-abiding public.
  • unsung wrote:
    I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.

    Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?
    And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?

    I'm glad you asked that question about cancer. You actually do BOTH.
    And yes, spoons are used a TOOL to make people fat. when LOADED AND LEFT BY YOUR BEDSIDE.


    can we say that we finally agree that this is what needs to be done? what I/we've been saying all along?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    As long as you can agree that disarming the law-abiding is not involved, by any means.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    unsung wrote:
    I actually prefer to find the real cause of problems, such as this person being mentally incapable. Maybe his mother should have secured the weapons better, however blaming an object is never the answer.

    Do you work to treat cancer or do you work to find the cause of cancer and defeat that?
    And no, guns don't kill people. Do spoons make people fat?

    I'm glad you asked that question about cancer. You actually do BOTH.
    And yes, spoons are used a TOOL to make people fat. when LOADED AND LEFT BY YOUR BEDSIDE.


    can we say that we finally agree that this is what needs to be done? what I/we've been saying all along?

    Yes, if you can't immediately cure it, you work to see if there are other avenues to limit its negative effects. We can do both, especially if getting to the root of the problem is proving to be so difficult considering we have nearly 300,000,000 guns in the USA.
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  • unsung wrote:
    As long as you can agree that disarming the law-abiding is not involved, by any means.

    so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?
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  • unsung
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    unsung wrote:
    As long as you can agree that disarming the law-abiding is not involved, by any means.

    so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?



    Do you know what it takes to get an automatic firearm? ***on a side note your argument would look much better if you dropped the assault word*** I can't get one. They are illegal to own in my state. So yeah go ahead and ban them, lol. They already are.
  • unsung wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    As long as you can agree that disarming the law-abiding is not involved, by any means.

    so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?



    Do you know what it takes to get an automatic firearm? ***on a side note your argument would look much better if you dropped the assault word*** I can't get one. They are illegal to own in my state. So yeah go ahead and ban them, lol. They already are.


    The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.

    An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.

    Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.

    Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I am afraid this is the direction the leftists and liberals are taking us on the second amendment rights.






    You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.

    Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

    At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.


    With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.

    You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it...

    In the darkness, you make out two shadows.
    One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

    When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

    The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

    One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door

    and lurches outside.

    As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

    In your country, most guns were outlawed years before,

    and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..

    Yours was never registered..

    Police arrive and inform you

    that the second burglar has died.

    They arrest you for First Degree Murder

    and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

    When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry:

    authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

    "What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

    "Only ten-to-twelve years,"

    he replies, as if that's nothing.

    "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

    The next day, the shooting is the lead

    story in the local newspaper.

    Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.

    Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..

    Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.

    But the next day's headline says it all:

    "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."

    The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..

    As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

    The national media picks it up,

    then the international media.
    The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

    Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.

    The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and

    that you've been critical of local police for their lack

    of effort in apprehending the suspects.

    After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

    The District Attorney uses this to allege

    that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

    A few months later, you go to trial.

    The charges haven't been reduced,

    as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

    When you take the stand, your anger at

    the injustice of it all works against you..

    Prosecutors paint a picture of you

    as a mean, vengeful man.

    It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

    The judge sentences you to life in prison.


    This case really happened.


    On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.

    In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..

    How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

    It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.


    This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and

    established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.

    The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

    Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and

    mandated the registration of all shotguns.

    Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.

    Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the street shooting everyone he saw.
    When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

    The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.

    (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

    Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scotland,

    Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

    For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.

    Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.

    Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.

    The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm's

    still owned by private citizens.

    During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights,

    the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.

    Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened,

    claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.

    Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

    Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,

    "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

    All of Tony Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
    and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
    who had no fear of the consequences.
    Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
    had seen most of his collection
    trashed or stolen by burglars.

    When the Dunblane Inquiry ended,
    citizens who owned handguns
    were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

    Being good British subjects,
    most people obeyed the law.
    The few who didn't were visited by police
    and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

    Police later bragged that they'd taken
    nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

    How did the authorities know who had handguns?
    The guns had been registered and licensed.
    Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

    WAKE UP AMERICA;

    THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

    "...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
    --Samuel Adams

    If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know..


    You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here, if he can get it done.

    And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.
    :shock: this is awesome and scary and of course ignored :fp:
    No way will we allow this in America.
  • unsung
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    The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.

    An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.

    Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.

    Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.


    Not really sure where you are going on this, but thanks for confirming what I said.
  • unsung wrote:


    The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.

    An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.

    Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.

    Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.


    Not really sure where you are going on this, but thanks for confirming what I said.

    it's an assault weapon that is no longer banned. which means it's legal.
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  • unsung
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    It is not an automatic weapon.

    You asked, "so, correct me, but are you then saying the law abiding get to keep their automatic assault weapons?"

    I answered.
  • unsung
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    If you are going to make an argument at least know what you are arguing for.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.

    In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..


    You really, really need to get your facts right and it would be interesting to also quote your source(I will not quote your whole post).

    First of all, it has been more than alleged he made several false claims of burglary in previous years. The got hold of an illegal pump action shotgun (supposedly 'found'). Of course he never told anyone of this find as he did know he was supposed to have a firearms certificate and he would not get one as his shotgun certificate had been revoked for already having been 'twitchy' with the gun.

    Also, he was convicted of murder by a jury as his story of shooting the guys from upstairs (eg, the waking up hearing the thump..., etc. drama) which was scientifically debunked. The jury could have found him guilty of manslaughter but they didn't after hearing all the evidence. One 'can' kill another in self defence but this was more than that.

    He appealed this conviction on grounds of diminished responsibility and had his sentence reduced to manslaughter. He was not released on parole as he was seen as a danger to society (a bit too trigger happy).

    He was released after 3 years, maximum he could serve.

    So you see... he is NOT serving a life sentence, is was dodgy to start with, he knew what he was doing, keeping the 'found' gun illegally and he lied during his trial.

    And no, the press did not see the burglar as a folk hero....

    Dublane - School massacre - shocking and so, so sad. Government took action. Has there been another school massacre like this in the UK? Nope. And guess what - the UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicide in the world. Generally, police are unarmed and deaths are minimal. Do citizens live in fear of the lives all the time, everywhere because they can't have guns? Nope.


    Just setting the record straight.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    redrock wrote:
    Has there been another school massacre like this in the UK? Nope. And guess what - the UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicide in the world. Generally, police are unarmed and deaths are minimal. Do citizens live in fear of the lives all the time, everywhere because they can't have guns? Nope.


    Just setting the record straight.

    Your utopian society sounds delightful. Me, I can't get over the "paranoia". Not sure why, mankind is such an honest, peace loving people. I am sure if/when an "event" happens and my lights are on and belly full, nobody will try to steal from me if I am unarmed. I mean, how long does someone go without food and water before they start to feel a bit antsy? Must be a long time eh?

    Just an example, to set the record straight.