A serious question

fear4freedom wrote:

Simple answer is that bad people will always GET guns, therefore good people NEED to have them!

Definitions of good and bad are highly subjective. In my opinion, if you own a gun for anything other than hunting or target shooting, you're bad.

fear4freedom wrote:

AND YOUR SOLUTION IS TO TAKE AWAY THE GUNS FROM AMERICANS??? Cause guess what bud, we got 196 nations in the neighborhood and the black market will be emboldened if we create a vacuum of demand over supply! The pressure on the southern border will intensify and there will be guns coming here faster than drugs! In a country of 320 million people that are raised the way we raise them, im surprised there isnt a shooting like this once per year!
Things you cannot see....i am obsessed with! Things we cannot see we cannot measure. We dont know the true answer to how many lives guns have saved....we have to have common sense in understanding human nature. We have to have faith that in the end, its all worth it. The policies we put forth do save lives and provide a safety net for millions. Bad guys decide "not" to do many things! Its a deterrent in every case.
Also, %80 of the nation is very peaceful. The %20 that is not, has gun restrictions! Look at Chicago, toughest gun laws and has the worst crime and the most murders.

There will always be a black market gun phenomenon if you do away with guns. Who are you to say that taking away all the guns will solve the problem? Guns are all over the world my friend, and if you take them away from the American public, then the black market would be empowered! GOT IT?

I keep hearing the one example of Chicago. do any of you people have any other examples? you can't build a whole argument with one fact.

push me and i will resist wrote:

otter wrote:

push me and i will resist wrote:

Ok I'll ask it a different way. Why doesn't Canada have the same problems with guns as the United States?
Do we feel safe enough in our country not to feel the need to protect ourselves and family?
Maybe we have less crazy people in Canada that shoot people with assault rifles.

Maybe the US should have the same gun laws as Canada for a year and see if it changes anything.

Have you ever been to Canada?

Sure have pal, I live there. Have lived there my whole life. Aside from 3 years when I was a teenager I lived in Alaska.

Have you been to Canada? Do you live there?

I have. I spent some time in Val David and Toronto. Canada could be on another planet; Canada can't be compared to US, not at all. US culture is completely different.

otter wrote:

push me and i will resist wrote:

I guess all I'm trying to say is this.

If people didn't have such easy access to guns, and there weren't so many guns out there, whether legally or illegally there probably wouldn't be so many problems.

1. I don't buy the "I need a gun for protection". That is a crock of shit.
2. Guns are meant for 1 thing.....pulling the trigger and shooting a bullet, either 1 at a time or a thousand in a second. Either way bullets do damage, whether a can, target or person.
3. Odds are if the gun laws are changed there will be change.

but guns are produced all over the world. Obviously if all of the sudden all guns disappeared nobody would be shot with a gun but that is not reality. And even if you stopped ALL gun sales right now what about all the guns out there now? It is true..."the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" so can we eliminate all bad guys? nope. evil exists

There's no doubt you would experience some growing pains, but just like the soldiers you are placing on a pedastal in the other thread that 'saved the world without anyone's help' according to you... sacrifices must be made sometimes.

Follow me here:

Imagine handguns and assault style rifles banned as well as the ammunition for these guns.

Imagine a buy-back program that gets some of the guns off the street (with no ammunition outside of illegal means... selling might look pretty good to some).

The guns that remain become useless once the existing ammunition caches are spent. People that attempt to acquire ammunition illegaly are outside of the law and run the risk of facing criminal consequences as a result.

Criminals that do keep their guns and find ammunition for them illegally may become a bit of a problem, but here's the thing: big time criminals with the means and money to purchase black market weapons and ammunition are not interested in invading your homes or shooting up kindergarten classes as much as they are protecting their industry from rivals. The only reason two-bit thugs have those guns right now are because they are cheap, abundant, and easy to get. How hard is that to understand?

For all other home invasions... you can use your legally owned 12 gauge shotgun to blast the intruder to pieces before they cross the threshold.

So... after 10 years give or take, your war on weapons will have been won. Just like the UK accomplished with only six homicides by gunfire and no kindergarten classes shot to death this past year. Wouldn't that be great? No 10,000 homicides by gunfire? If you could actually parallel the UK's example... you would experience- proportionately of course- 93% fewer homicides than your current rate!

Think of it... safe classrooms in 10 years. Worth it?

Canada opens Colombia to 'new opportunities' for its automatic weapons sellers

By: Mike Blanchfield, The Canadian Press


OTTAWA - Just one day before last month's elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., Canada offered its gun merchants "new market opportunities" to export banned assault weapons to Colombia, one of the world's most violent countries.

Canada quietly eased its ban on the export of assault-style weapons to Colombia after Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird recommended an order amending the Automatic Firearms Country Control List (AFCCL).

That opened the door for Canadian gun merchants to sell fully automatic weapons with high-capacity magazines — banned in Canada — to Colombia.

"Colombia's addition to the AFCCL opens new market opportunities by providing residents of Canada with the opportunity to explore and compete for contracts in Colombia for items controlled under the AFCCL," says a government notice, posted Tuesday.

The amended order places restrictions on the permits required for the weapons exports, including a case-by-case review by Ottawa.

The notice says that Canadian weapons exporters will face "very strict controls" under the Export and Import Permits Act before they will be allowed to export "prohibited weapons and prohibited devices (as defined in the Criminal Code of Canada), examples of which include fully automatic firearms, electric stun guns and large-capacity magazines."

The change went into effect on Dec. 13, one day before a gunman walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six school employees, sparking fresh debate about gun control in the United States.

Canada recently completed a controversial free trade deal with Colombia, which has been plagued by a half century-long guerilla insurgency, serious human rights abuses and its emergence as a world leading cocaine producer.

Colombia is gradually overcoming its violent legacy, becoming relatively more peaceful, while developing one of the fastest growing economies in the Americas.

The Harper government's pursuit of a free trade deal with Colombia was opposed by rights groups, but the deal was ultimately approved in 2011.

Now, Colombia has been added to a list that includes Canada's 27 NATO allies, along with Australia, Finland, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Sweden and Botswana, where prohibited firearms manufactured in this country may be sold.

"The amendment to the AFCCL will formally add Colombia to the list of countries that the Governor in Council deems appropriate to export prohibited firearms, prohibited weapons and prohibited devices and to which the Minister of Foreign Affairs may issue an export permit for such items," the notice says.

"The inclusion of Colombia on the AFCCL does not guarantee that a permit will be issued for the export of these items and all applications will remain subject to the Government of Canada's case-by-case review process."

In October, Foreign Affairs, along with the Defence and Justice departments, conducted a public consultation over the Internet on the possibility of adding Colombia to the list.

There were three responses.

One favoured the addition of Colombia, while two were opposed.

The two objectors "cited concerns relating to the long-time armed conflict and human rights issues within Colombia as the reasons for their objection," says Tuesday's notice.

Foreign Affairs dismissed the objections after conducting an analysis.

"This consultation process included a review of multiple issues, including a review of potential human rights and existing conflicts issues," says the notice.

"As stated previously, the addition of a country to the AFCCL does not guarantee that an export permit will be issued. All applications are reviewed on a case-by-case basis, including a review of any human right concerns."

Canadian arms manufacturers will now be able to submit applications to export the banned weapons to Colombia.

The government notice says the amendment is "consistent with the aim of the AFCCL to promote transparency in the export and transfer of prohibited firearms, prohibited weapons and prohibited devices by making public that Canada will now consider export permit applications for the export of those items to Colombia."

Colombia has endured half a century of violence, pitting its U.S.-backed government forces against a leftist guerilla insurgency led by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

Despite its impressive economic growth, Colombia continues to suffer from serious human rights violations. For example, more union leaders are killed in Colombia than anywhere else.

The Colombian justice system is clogged with more than 1,700 cases involving extra-judicial executions that have claimed the lives of 3,000 people, most from the last decade.

In late November, the Conservative government repealed Canadian gun show regulations, a move that Ontario's chief firearms officer has said could bring American-style gun-show problems to Canada.

The regulations would have required the sponsor of a gun show to notify local police and the chief firearms officer of the province before an event, and to ensure the security and safety of the location and the firearms.

The changes killed a set of rules that were introduced by the Liberals in 1998, but never came into force after years of consultations and deferrals.

push me and i will resist wrote:

Can someone please explain to me why you need a gun?
Simple question, should be a simple answer.


Unless you are a hunter I see no need to have one.

Bonus question.

If you live in a concrete jungle of a city and never hunt why do you need a handgun tucked in your jeans?

Super bonuses

Why can you get a gun anywhere? Why can you get an assault rifle?
Why can a regular person full out some forms and buy these killing machines?
Does everybody in the world that make decisions lack common fucking sense?

That's all, thanks for your time.

Ever Lived in Texas???? the UT Shooter was taken down by pissed civilians. He shot a pregnant woman first.. after the second death... Citizens with Guns were Pissed. There was no TASK or SWAT Team. Pissed off Texans doing what's right. That's why. I watched a CARAVAN of Hunter FOLKS go out for the season (TODAY!!!!!) ... Practice and good eating (Yuck), they are back in a heartbeat if stuff goes down. ILLEGAL GUNS..? BLACKMARKET GUNS..? scary stuff


LOOK this up? I'm tired of defending the south. Sandy was crap compared to what the gulf coast endured the past 4 years. I'm not apologizing. Texas.... Florida is not . Louisiana? Please. Serious as ever

Just bought a Shot GUN.. for Zombies and stuff. Too heavy to lift and I don't even know the combo to the safe..

My pepper spray (personal), is in my make-up bag... I'm the stupid one

push me and i will resist wrote:

With this last comment you are a officially fucked!
And you are right is culture is different. You' re a bunch of gun crazy fools that are blinded by something, not sure if its your government or you've all been brainwashed growing up in that country.

I'm done, I can't read your bullshit anymore.

I am not a fan of the comments you are referring to, and I'm not a fan of yours either.