The NRA finally comes out from under it's rock

PJ_Soul wrote:

An armed guard is no match for a deranged killer with a plan and an arsenal. This armed guard at school idea seems foolish to me. It wouldn't prevent anything, and would only make the world seem more scary and paranoia-inducing than it already is to children. Seriously one of the dumbest ideas of 2012.

and your idea is.............drumroll...............????

Jason P wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

An armed guard is no match for a deranged killer with a plan and an arsenal. This armed guard at school idea seems foolish to me. It wouldn't prevent anything, and would only make the world seem more scary and paranoia-inducing than it already is to children. Seriously one of the dumbest ideas of 2012.

and your idea is.............drumroll...............????

better regulation.

Training required for gun purchases. Ban assault rifles. Ban extended clips. Mental exams.

The past week's shootings makes it clear that trying to protect schools is only a slice of the overall problem.

What he said.

No one could ever ensure that all children are safe anywhere, including their school... just like it's impossible to ensure that a single person on the planet is 100% safe. That's life. To react to this tragedy by screaming for an armed guard at every school is like screaming for a band-aid when someone's arm has been chopped off. Useless and a deliberate avoidance of the problem. With the added bonus of being a waste of money and resources, and ultimately a negative psychological factor in children's lives.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2012/12/26/figures-swanky-private-school-obamas-daughters-david-gregorys-children-attend-has-11-armed-guards/

interesting find

DS1119 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

How hard would it be to walk up behind him during a class break, pop him in the back of the head, and then go off on everyone else? :geek:

Harder than if he wasn't there. With this mindset we should just eliminate armed guards all together then. I mean how hard is it to just pop a bank guard in the back of the head and then go about business? Kind of weird (and this isn't directed at this poster I'm just comenting) that people have no problem having armed guards in banks protecting the money...but having armed guards to protect their children is mind blowing? People using guns in both situations guys are criminals.

DS, most people with children don't want them gong to schools that resemble prisons or court houses in any way; armed guards in schools would lead us in that direction. Next, metal detectors in every school. Panic rooms. Filled with cameras. It would turn schools into a place of clear rather than learning and nurturing. that is not far-fetched if armed guards are accepted as a good idea. They already have some of those prison-like schools in inner cities, and they are mourned, not celebrated. It is not something that would improve society. It would harm it. Also, what happens when some kid gets shot by accident, or some parent or older brother who doesn't know protocol runs into an overzealous guard? Seems more likely than a school shooting spree to me. I mean, how many school killing sprees happen each year compared to accidental shootings? Zero to thousands or something like that, on average?

No offense to any one who believes armed guards in schools are a good idea because if you believe that, it's probably because you care about kids and are as bummed about Sandy Hook as all of us... but I think doing this would be a total mind fuck for kids today. When I was a kid, we had to deal with the frequent "duck and cover" drills and we lived with this ongoing fear of nuclear annihilation. I think a lot of kids faced with seeing armed guards every day would be freaked out with the daily reminder that someone might (very, very unlikely, of course) come and blow them all away at any moment unless the guard is close by. There are other psychological factors to be considered as well. And at what point would these guards themselves step over a line you wouldn't want for your kids? At what point does it become the kids or a teacher who doesn't fit the mold who takes the brunt of the boredom and frustration of an armed guard with nothing to do?

This just doesn't seem like the best answer by a long stretch. I'm guessing we'll end up with metal detectors and an educational system bogged down in more red tape.

I think we need to go back to a) not giving killers the attention they desire and b) taking a much closer look at our mental health services and practices.

kenny olav wrote:

brianlux wrote:

but I think doing this would be a total mind fuck for kids today.quote]

You must not have clicked the link in my last post. Ill summarize, the report claims that in a private school where the Obama childeren and many other well to do people in Washington DC send there childeren for education there are ARMED GUARDS. You might want to let somebody know their kids are getting mind fucked.

usamamasan1 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Agree on all points.

I would also be in favor of limiting the number of guns any one individual can own at one time. You have the right to bare arms, not the right to collect arms, build an arsenal, and arm your friends and neighbors. How many guns can you bare at one time? No one needs more than two handguns and a hunting rifle. If you do I would like to know why.

Bird hunt lately?
Emoticon.

Can you show us where in the Constitution you are guaranteed the right to arm your friends for a bird hunt?

WOOT!

DS1119 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

How hard would it be to walk up behind him during a class break, pop him in the back of the head, and then go off on everyone else? :geek:

Harder than if he wasn't there.

No, easier than if he wasn't there. You can't steal a gun from someone who isn't there with a gun. I understand you are going to argue every point because this more about right wing dogma than anything else, but c'mon. That point makes no sense.