NRA-the massacre wouldn't have happened if teachers had guns

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how about we let people have all the guns they want, but we tax the hell out of the ammo for semi and automatic weapons and assault rifles? price them out of your average person's budget. tax these bullets at 500% or something. also tax the hell out of the importing and exporting of these round and ammo. it will cut down on mass shootings, and it will raise money for the government and everybody wins.

    with the money from the high tax on ammo the government can set up a trust to pay for funerals of victims and a stipend for surviving family members, and also lifelong health expenses for those maimed by assault rifles in mass shootings. that would include mental counseling for victims in addition to physical medicine and rehabilitation. that way the government generates revenue and the victims get some sort of assistance to help deal with injuries, physical and mental, that will last them a lifetime.

    in my opinion, if people want to buy this ammo and keep this ammo, the ones that are going to use the ammo should invest their money into a fund to pay for those that they may injure, kill, or maim. kind of like an insurance pool or something. remember, i am not talking about your 22 bullets or bullets for dad's revolver, i am talking about assault rifles, semi and automatic weapons... if you want to avoid paying the tax, then you do not need to buy the ammo.

    these are just my early phase thoughts for a potential solution.


    It will not work. Many different types of firearms use the same ammo. How do you know what which it will be used in? Many shootings are done with a typical handgun but you guys still want to chase the bogeyman "assault weapon".

    That's why typical handguns gotta go to!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • deserteddotse
    deserteddotse Posts: 1,276
    RoughMix wrote:
    Armed officers(not teachers) in schools.

    I can't even imagine having to send my kids off to a school where you actually need armed officers...

    I would consider moving to a 'socialist typ environment', as someone described it, to prevent that from happening...

    Sad, sad is what it is...
    Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    deserteddotse wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    Armed officers(not teachers) in schools.

    I can't even imagine having to send my kids off to a school where you actually need armed officers...

    I would consider moving to a 'socialist typ environment', as someone described it, to prevent that from happening...

    Sad, sad is what it is...
    i agree....
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • RoughMix
    RoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    deserteddotse wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    Armed officers(not teachers) in schools.

    I can't even imagine having to send my kids off to a school where you actually need armed officers...

    I would consider moving to a 'socialist typ environment', as someone described it, to prevent that from happening...

    Sad, sad is what it is...

    Yes it is sad.
    Start packing.
    "They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
    is that exactly what I thought I read."
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    RoughMix wrote:

    Yes it is sad.
    Start packing.
    he dont have too..he lives in one of the best countries to live in the planet....
    trust me..take a trip there..you gonna get jealous
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • RoughMix
    RoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:

    Yes it is sad.
    Start packing.
    he dont have too..he lives in one of the best countries to live in the planet....
    trust me..take a trip there..you gonna get jealous

    So do I.
    (It's not the U.S.)

    If they live in Sweden,they are already in a socialist type environment.
    So...you don't have to start packing.My mistake.
    "They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
    is that exactly what I thought I read."
  • pureoc
    pureoc Posts: 2,383
    JK_Livin wrote:
    goingtoverona wrote:
    i would be against legislation straight up banning all guns unless it was guns, cars, tobacco, alcohol, and other major killers all together.

    The only thing I can say to this is that a gun's sole purpose is to kill and the others you list are not.


    :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Apples to oranges, it's not even close, please stop making these idiotic comparisons.

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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    i'm all for free choice, all for people having their own opinions, but i'm not an idiot because i don't believe what you believe.

    pureoc wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    goingtoverona wrote:
    i would be against legislation straight up banning all guns unless it was guns, cars, tobacco, alcohol, and other major killers all together.

    The only thing I can say to this is that a gun's sole purpose is to kill and the others you list are not.


    :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Apples to oranges, it's not even close, please stop making these idiotic comparisons.

    Thanks,
    Common Sense
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Nobody called anyone an idiot. A comparison was called idiotic.

    Sesame Street used to have that great segment: "One of these things... isn't like the others":

    If one lumps guns in with other 'major killers' such as pools, tobacco, and cars... can they expect to be taken seriously? And just because someoen has an opinion... does that mean it has to be respected no matter what?

    Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    American is so unique not only in size but culture, history, economics, role in the world
    really apples and oranges as far as comparisons to other countries.
    Our country is based on personal freedoms. Founded on that. We are young,
    powerful, ancestors displaced and placed here for a reason.

    I think it would be far easier to accomplish banning all guns for citizens to own if
    it was a small country the size of one or two of our states.
    I do not see that happening here ever, at least not in my lifetime, 20 more years.
    Well unless it is forced upon and not freely chosen by the people
    which is why some choose to own. It is our freedom. It is not our freedom to kill
    but it is our freedom to own a gun. We are the land of the free.
    We are not killers.
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    i just wanted to reiterate what my beliefs are. i believe that most of you anti gun people could be handed a piece of paper listing all the numbers and causes of death for 2011, and you would bust out your highlighter and select a group of people. you would say these lives should have been saved, they could have been prevented we need to do something about this. all these other people that died fall into the category of they did it to themselves, fall into some sort of cost benefit ratio, or shit happens that's life. and who is this group of people you selected to still be worthy of life, people killed by guns. and that's great, people getting killed by guns is terrible.
    me however, i would look at that list and say which of these deaths could have been prevented? well kids getting mowed down by guns would still be alive if there were no guns. kids getting mangled in car wrecks would still be alive if there were no cars, kids that overdosed on alcohol would still be alive if there was no alcohol, and the list goes on and on. all lives are important and precious to me. and if their death could be prevented, how could you be against preventing it? so for me when you guys talk about saving lives, i don't believe your goal is to save lives. i think saving lives is a convenient byproduct of your ultimate goal. which is to have guns banned.
    just my opinion.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    if you call what i believe idiotic, then you're calling be an idiot, and since you just did it again. i guess i repeat....i'm not an idiot because i don't believe what you believe.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Nobody called anyone an idiot. A comparison was called idiotic.

    Sesame Street used to have that great segment: "One of these things... isn't like the others":

    If one lumps guns in with other 'major killers' such as pools, tobacco, and cars... can they expect to be taken seriously? And just because someoen has an opinion... does that mean it has to be respected no matter what?

    Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    goingtoverona wrote:
    i just wanted to reiterate what my beliefs are. i believe that most of you anti gun people could be handed a piece of paper listing all the numbers and causes of death for 2011, and you would bust out your highlighter and select a group of people. you would say these lives should have been saved, they could have been prevented we need to do something about this. all these other people that died fall into the category of they did it to themselves, fall into some sort of cost benefit ratio, or shit happens that's life. and who is this group of people you selected to still be worthy of life, people killed by guns. and that's great, people getting killed by guns is terrible.
    me however, i would look at that list and say which of these deaths could have been prevented? well kids getting mowed down by guns would still be alive if there were no guns. kids getting mangled in car wrecks would still be alive if there were no cars, kids that overdosed on alcohol would still be alive if there was no alcohol, and the list goes on and on. all lives are important and precious to me. and if their death could be prevented, how could you be against preventing it? so for me when you guys talk about saving lives, i don't believe your goal is to save lives. i think saving lives is a convenient byproduct of your ultimate goal. which is to have guns banned.
    just my opinion.

    You are not getting it. And it's so simple.

    People are willing to take their chances driving in automobiles in which their soul purpose is to transport people. A measured risk.

    People don't want to take chances with guns in which their sole purpose is to kill. What's the upside other than some people get to use their cool guns at the dump shooting pop cans and other stuff?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    goingtoverona wrote:
    if you call what i believe idiotic, then you're calling be an idiot, and since you just did it again. i guess i repeat....i'm not an idiot because i don't believe what you believe.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Nobody called anyone an idiot. A comparison was called idiotic.

    Sesame Street used to have that great segment: "One of these things... isn't like the others":

    If one lumps guns in with other 'major killers' such as pools, tobacco, and cars... can they expect to be taken seriously? And just because someoen has an opinion... does that mean it has to be respected no matter what?

    Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

    You are trying to feed people a plate of shit. People don't have to eat it. Sorry man, but your comparison lacks substance. It doesn't work to support what you are trying to say.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    all i'm trying to say is that i think all life is valuable and worth saving not just people killed by guns. that's it.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    goingtoverona wrote:
    all i'm trying to say is that i think all life is valuable and worth saving not just people killed by guns. that's it.

    You are not going to get an argument from me on this statement.

    You can choke on a hotdog. I'll admit that anything can be dangerous; however, once something has been determined as consistently dangerous... measures are taken to safeguard the public with regards to the inherent dangers.

    The auto industry has constantly taken safety measures to try and improve the automobiles' safety standards. Driving laws have continually been revamped to address public safety. Driver awareness has been a major theme for society.

    Pools carry by-laws in our province. For example, gated 4 foot fences must surround pools.

    Guns have gone the opposite direction. They have become more deadly and more efficient killing machines. The gun industry and gun supporters have not demanded safer weapons or use. Instead, they have encouraged and supported more dangerous design and... people are saying enough. It's enough now.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    pandora wrote:
    American is so unique not only in size but culture, history, economics, role in the world
    really apples and oranges as far as comparisons to other countries.
    Our country is based on personal freedoms. Founded on that. We are young,
    powerful, ancestors displaced and placed here for a reason.

    I think it would be far easier to accomplish banning all guns for citizens to own if
    it was a small country the size of one or two of our states.
    I do not see that happening here ever, at least not in my lifetime, 20 more years.
    Well unless it is forced upon and not freely chosen by the people
    which is why some choose to own. It is our freedom. It is not our freedom to kill
    but it is our freedom to own a gun. We are the land of the free.
    We are not killers.

    what is your definition of freedom? I don't see America been move free than many other countries?

    its so bizarre to me that the country who doesn't want people to infringe on their personal freedom is the same country who tells other countries what weapon they can have.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    fife wrote:

    its so bizarre to me that the country who doesn't want people to infringe on their personal freedom is the same country who tells other countries what weapon they can have.

    Touché!
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    what's bizarre to me is that the supposedly, most free or freest however you say it, country in the world, is responsible for the highest prison population in the world.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    goingtoverona wrote:
    what's bizarre to me is that the supposedly, most free or freest however you say it, country in the world, is responsible for the highest prison population in the world.

    I agree, its too bad drugs were not listed as a god given right by your FF.

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