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  • Bathgate66
    Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    bring on the hockey
    before its too late.!
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    it sux. it appears there is a strong voiced hard-headed contingent on both sides who dont want to appear that they "lost".
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I doubt the owners much care until January ... most don't make money till playoffs anyways. The player are being hurt more by this lockout than the owners.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    As someone who has watched hockey for over 30 years I'm not even sure I care anymore. At the beginning of the season I missed it, but not really anymore now. When it comes back maybe my mind will change. I guess only time will tell.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    MayDay10 wrote:
    it sux. it appears there is a strong voiced hard-headed contingent on both sides who dont want to appear that they "lost".

    i really don't see the factions on the players side ... i think they are fairly united ... the same can't be said about the owners ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    fife wrote:
    If the NHl care about those teams then they would get rid of the cap and the cap floor cause that is really what is killing these teams.

    Thats the best thing about the last lock - out is the salary cap. There hasn't been a repeat cup champion since. All 16 playoff teams have a decent shot at the ... just ask Boston and LA.

    Baseball doesn't necessarily need a cap ... each team plays 81 home in massive stadiums ... the Detroit Tigers drew 17000 when first moving to comerica park and they were bad at the the time and thats over 81 games, plus baseball has better TV revenue, better merchandising.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    DS1119 wrote:
    As someone who has watched hockey for over 30 years I'm not even sure I care anymore. At the beginning of the season I missed it, but not really anymore now. When it comes back maybe my mind will change. I guess only time will tell.

    i've only watched the playoffs since the last lockout ... might not even watch that in the future. its just greedy billionaires vs greedy millionaires.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    edited December 2012
    polaris_x wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    it sux. it appears there is a strong voiced hard-headed contingent on both sides who dont want to appear that they "lost".

    i really don't see the factions on the players side ... i think they are fairly united ... the same can't be said about the owners ...


    I dont think that is true at all. You have what, 700 players? All with varying salaries, Nationalities, age/earnings remaining, skill level/security, etc.

    There are definitely large-ish groups on each side who want to just meet in the G/D middle and play.

    You also hear stuff like: @JSportsnet: Can confirm NHLPA is insisting that Don Fehr return to the Negotiations...and if that's the case the Commissioner will be on other side.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    lukin2006 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    If the NHl care about those teams then they would get rid of the cap and the cap floor cause that is really what is killing these teams.

    Thats the best thing about the last lock - out is the salary cap. There hasn't been a repeat cup champion since. All 16 playoff teams have a decent shot at the ... just ask Boston and LA.

    I think its big for the smaller markets. The floor was a bit high (but that was for the players), and they also calculated it on the mean and not the median, so the teams making a ton of money are weighted.

    I dont want to see 5-6 teams suck up the star players from the rest of the league, which was occurring pre-2004. Although high payroll/star studded roster doesnt guarantee success, you need star-power on all teams to sell the league.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    MayDay10 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    If the NHl care about those teams then they would get rid of the cap and the cap floor cause that is really what is killing these teams.

    Thats the best thing about the last lock - out is the salary cap. There hasn't been a repeat cup champion since. All 16 playoff teams have a decent shot at the ... just ask Boston and LA.

    I think its big for the smaller markets. The floor was a bit high (but that was for the players), and they also calculated it on the mean and not the median, so the teams making a ton of money are weighted.

    I dont want to see 5-6 teams suck up the star players from the rest of the league, which was occurring pre-2004. Although high payroll/star studded roster doesnt guarantee success, you need star-power on all teams to sell the league.

    Thats what was happening before ... same 5-6 teams were always getting the best free agents.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    MayDay10 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    it sux. it appears there is a strong voiced hard-headed contingent on both sides who dont want to appear that they "lost".

    i really don't see the factions on the players side ... i think they are fairly united ... the same can't be said about the owners ...


    I dont think that is true at all. You have what, 700 players? All with varying salaries, Nationalities, age/earnings remaining, skill level/security, etc.

    There are definitely large-ish groups on each side who want to just meet in the G/D middle and play.

    You also hear stuff like: @JSportsnet: Can confirm NHLPA is insisting that Don Fehr return to the Negotiations...and if that's the case the Commissioner will be on other side.

    truthfully I was/am skeptical with these talks mainly because Jacobs is involved ... he's one of the hardline owners.
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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    edited December 2012
    I guarantee you both sides are not happy about all of the social media outlets yesterday pumping up the fans into thinking a deal was going to get done.
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  • drivingrl
    drivingrl Posts: 1,448
    Dr. Delight wrote:
    I guarantee you both sides are not happy about all of the social media outlets yesterday pumping up the fand into thinking a deal was going to get done.

    As a fan, I'm certainly not happy about getting my hopes up.
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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    DS1119 wrote:
    As someone who has watched hockey for over 30 years I'm not even sure I care anymore. At the beginning of the season I missed it, but not really anymore now. When it comes back maybe my mind will change. I guess only time will tell.
    Yep. Thats where I am at. I've been conditioned by this league.

    Sadly they care more about getting 10 yr old Timmy in California to become a fan instead of keeping a hardcore fan around who has stayed with the league.

    You can only see so many work stoppages and decreased entertainment product until your just disgusted.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    MayDay10 wrote:
    I dont think that is true at all. You have what, 700 players? All with varying salaries, Nationalities, age/earnings remaining, skill level/security, etc.

    There are definitely large-ish groups on each side who want to just meet in the G/D middle and play.

    You also hear stuff like: @JSportsnet: Can confirm NHLPA is insisting that Don Fehr return to the Negotiations...and if that's the case the Commissioner will be on other side.

    sure ... obviously with a larger pool of people - interests are likely to vary but what i'm trying to say is that i don't think there is like 65% who want to make a deal and concede everything and 35% preventing them that ... i think there is more of a unified consensus amongst the players relatively speaking vs. the owners ...
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    this may just be the NHLPA leaking negative vibes trying for one more NHL Concession. Try to get them to budge a little more, then do the deal.


    The more I think about it, the more I love the 5 years contract max and 7 years for re-signing.

    It may encourage players sticking with their teams.

    Maybe itll also encourage 'sign and trades'. come to think of it, maybe they should close the loop-hole on that. Or, maybe itll be cool
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    MayDay10 wrote:
    this may just be the NHLPA leaking negative vibes trying for one more NHL Concession. Try to get them to budge a little more, then do the deal.


    The more I think about it, the more I love the 5 years contract max and 7 years for re-signing.

    It may encourage players sticking with their teams.

    Maybe itll also encourage 'sign and trades'. come to think of it, maybe they should close the loop-hole on that. Or, maybe itll be cool
    I like the shorter contracts, but the owners kind of shot themselves in the foot by signing these deals...
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    keeponrockin wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    this may just be the NHLPA leaking negative vibes trying for one more NHL Concession. Try to get them to budge a little more, then do the deal.


    The more I think about it, the more I love the 5 years contract max and 7 years for re-signing.

    It may encourage players sticking with their teams.

    Maybe itll also encourage 'sign and trades'. come to think of it, maybe they should close the loop-hole on that. Or, maybe itll be cool
    I like the shorter contracts, but the owners kind of shot themselves in the foot by signing these deals...

    Its competition though. There isnt much choice, or its collusion. With the cap, there are more teams bidding on players, which drives the terms and dollars up. The agents play offers off one another and they grow dollar-wise, term-wise, and then perks like no-trade/no-movement. Framework of the CBA needs to control that, it is illegal for owners to have a gentleman's agreement.
  • eeriepadave
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    watch about 20,000-25,000 teddy bears hit the ice at a Calgary Hitmen game :D

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