The Official New York Yankees Thread

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    imalive wrote:
    anyway.....opening day.....who's gonna catch, be at third, SS and OF? :?

    Don't be silly. Why the fuck would we talk about that when we can talk about everything arod?

    Fucking joke.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
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    Where the hell are the Yankees?

    Not at the winter meetings. At least, not in any place where there is news other than a 37-year-old third baseman breaking down.

    Oh, the Yankees will tell you they have their pitching in order after re-signing free agent Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera for a combined $37 million.

    But that would be Kuroda, 37; Pettitte, 40; and Rivera, 43 — and Rivera is coming off surgery to repair a torn ACL in his left knee.

    Meanwhile, the catchers are all backups. The right fielder is a player to be named. And the left side of the infield — shortstop Derek Jeter, 38, and third baseman Alex Rodriguez, 37 — is about to be condemned by the City of New York.

    Ah, that’s unfair to Jeter, who is expected to return from surgery on his left ankle by Opening Day; Rodriguez, preparing for surgery on his left hip, will be out until at least May and possibly July.

    Whatever, the Yankees are in the process of building a team that could prove not only unsuccessful but also unwatchable — a double whammy in an era in which regional television networks are the lifeblood of big-market teams.

    Frankly, I’m waiting for some right-minded Yankees executive to stand up and shout, “HELLO? IS ANYBODY HOME? WHY ISN’T JOSH HAMILTON ALREADY IN PINSTRIPES?”

    If there isn’t debate in the front office over the Yankees’ self-imposed austerity kick, there darned well should be.

    The late George Steinbrenner would spend his offseasons money-whipping the rest of baseball, then blather on about Yankee pride, Yankee tradition and Yankee excellence.

    Steinbrenner’s son Hal, on the other hand, seems intent only on getting the Yankees under the $189 million luxury-tax threshold by 2014 and realizing a series of significant financial benefits under the new labor agreement.

    Never mind that the Yankees, after winning 95 games in the regular season, were swept by the Detroit Tigers in the American League Championship Series.

    Never mind that the Toronto Blue Jays made a blockbuster trade last month, or that the Boston Red Sox are also acting “uber-aggressive” in the words of one rival executive.

    Someone print up new T-shirts: “$189M or bust!” — and sell them for $65 as official Yankees merchandise.

    It’s not as if the Yankees are experiencing financial difficulty — they recently sold 49 percent of the YES Network to News Corp., the owners of FOX, for $500 million. After three years, News Corp. may acquire an additional stake that would raise its ownership to 80 percent.

    But these days, the Los Angeles Dodgers are the Yankees, and the Yankees are the Bronx Bombers turned Coupon Clippers.

    Yes, the Yankees still will field one of baseball’s largest payrolls next season, if not the largest. But that’s mostly due to past mistakes, not intelligent new spending.

    Meanwhile, the low-revenue, pawn-every-player Cleveland Indians offered $44 million to free-agent outfielder Shane Victorino, only to lose him to the Red Sox.

    And, lest anyone forget, the Pittsburgh Pirates recently outbid the Yankees for catcher Russell Martin in baseball’s ultimate man-bites-dog story.

    The Yankees, though, just keep picking through scraps.

    Pondering role players such as infielder Jeff Keppinger and outfielder Scott Hairston — but only if they’re affordable.

    Mulling the returns of 30-something veterans such as third baseman Eric Chavez and outfielders Raul Ibanez and Ichiro Suzuki — players who would be valuable one-year cogs in the team’s $189 million crusade.

    Agents are dumbfounded. Players are dumbfounded. Rival executives are dumbfounded.

    Barring a sudden reversal, the Yankees seem intent on bringing back the same club they had last season — a lesser club, actually.

    Who, pray tell, is going to watch?

    Maybe this is all misdirection, with the Yankees masking their true intentions as part of a larger negotiating strategy. The Yankees of old — say, two years ago — would routinely pull stunts like that, claiming to be out on a player, then signing him the next day.

    Those Yankees made no apologies for their financial muscle, but you had to admire them — they were rascals.

    These Yankees? They’re accountants.

    And they’re putting all of us to sleep.

    ******

    Maybe mistakes/contracts like Arod's are why the Yankees are not presently pursuing anything that will make a difference? Its still early though..
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  • DS1119
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    Hopefully AHip retires. Please please please.
  • xavier mcdaniel
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  • DS1119
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    Keppinger to the White Sox.



    Only a matter of time now.
  • DS1119
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    DS1119 wrote:

    True, and I forgot about Pujols..but at least he might still have something left to contribute in a few of his later years. Spending is just at an all time high and although it makes it tough for smaller market teams, the yankees have to to realize that huge contracts dont guarantee anything. Also, the yankees picked up Arod, then Tex and CC with big contracts all in a few years...trhey need to learn form these mistakes. My guess is that they will be good, but wont be a championship contender for several more years. Too much money tied up in crap like Arod, and they leave themselves out of the running for pitchers like Grienke.

    As Cliffy said, we can blame Levine and Hank...I dont fault Arod at all for the conract...but I'd be willing to bet if they were in the position to get a high performance player like Hamilton or Cabrera or someone, they will be more cautious simply because they cant have more than one 42 year old taking up space on the bench and hogging all the girls by the dugout! ;)


    This is one of the reasons why I don't think the 189 will happen. Yankee fans crave being in every free agent negotiation. Give this about a month...the fans are already restless...if this goes into next season...look out. When people stop showing up to the park that may be an eye opener for management. And to those that think the fans won't show up to Yankee Stadium just look at some photos from the 80's and early 90's of the Stadium...and that's when seats were more than affordable...not like now where it's a $100 a head just for a lessthan average seat.


    Sweeny Murti is basically talking about my point right now on Francesa. Makes me feel smart.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,855
    omg the indians almost got victorino? *drool*

    G Steinbrenner didnt care about maximizing profits to be afraid to swing and miss. Kevin Brown, Giambi, R. Johnson, Irabu, etc. He also hit it big sometimes, but those times were often middle-type players who were good in support of the mid-late 90s nucleus.

    This guy seems like he kind of wants to maximize profits. Honestly though, not one ounce of me feels bad for Yankee fans. Not trolling, you guys have had it pretty damn good for like 100 years. $189 Million can still put a pretty good ballclub on the field
  • 81
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    MayDay10 wrote:
    omg the indians almost got victorino? *drool*

    G Steinbrenner didnt care about maximizing profits to be afraid to swing and miss. Kevin Brown, Giambi, R. Johnson, Irabu, etc. He also hit it big sometimes, but those times were often middle-type players who were good in support of the mid-late 90s nucleus.

    This guy seems like he kind of wants to maximize profits. Honestly though, not one ounce of me feels bad for Yankee fans. Not trolling, you guys have had it pretty damn good for like 100 years. $189 Million can still put a pretty good ballclub on the field

    last i read, they wanted to avoid penalties
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  • MayDay10
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    well penalties cut into profits.
  • Wobbie
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    DS1119 wrote:
    Keppinger to the White Sox.



    Only a matter of time now.

    until? :? :?
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  • Wobbie
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    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    anyway.....opening day.....who's gonna catch, be at third, SS and OF? :?

    Don't be silly. Why the fuck would we talk about that when we can talk about everything arod?

    Fucking joke.

    c'mon, cliffy. I'm ready to turn the page.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Boy Montero would sure be a nice power player to plug into the catcher/dh position right now. Please keep Cashman away from the trading table from now on.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    imalive wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Keppinger to the White Sox.



    Only a matter of time now.

    until? :? :?



    Youk in the Bronx.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    3B? How old is Nunez? I know he's pretty bad in the field, but is there room for improvement? I thought he was a decent hitter. Just Please no Youk.

    Is Pierzynski a possibility at Catcher?

    And someone metioned it the otehr day --is Gardner and Ichiro in the same outfield a bad thing?
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  • Newch91
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    3B? How old is Nunez? I know he's pretty bad in the field, but is there room for improvement? I thought he was a decent hitter. Just Please no Youk.

    Is Pierzynski a possibility at Catcher?

    And someone metioned it the otehr day --is Gardner and Ichiro in the same outfield a bad thing?
    I'll gladly have Nunez in the field. I just hope he works like hell in the off season and spring training on his fielding. He can hit and he has great speed running.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    3B? How old is Nunez? I know he's pretty bad in the field, but is there room for improvement? I thought he was a decent hitter. Just Please no Youk.

    Is Pierzynski a possibility at Catcher?

    And someone metioned it the otehr day --is Gardner and Ichiro in the same outfield a bad thing?


    A lot of people are assuming Ichiro is done. He;s far from done.


    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/ ... mpSPXGIH7N
  • JonnyPistachio
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    Newch91 wrote:
    I'll gladly have Nunez in the field. I just hope he works like hell in the off season and spring training on his fielding. He can hit and he has great speed running.
    I like him too.
    DS1119 wrote:
    3B? How old is Nunez? I know he's pretty bad in the field, but is there room for improvement? I thought he was a decent hitter. Just Please no Youk.

    Is Pierzynski a possibility at Catcher?

    And someone metioned it the otehr day --is Gardner and Ichiro in the same outfield a bad thing?

    A lot of people are assuming Ichiro is done. He;s far from done.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/ ... mpSPXGIH7N

    I like Ichiro too. And I kinda like the idea of ichiro and Gardner.
    in that article it says: "Russell Martin wasn’t worth a multi-year deal, led to their starting catcher signing a two-year deal for $17 million with the Pirates."

    17 million?! Did he even break .199 avg? :fp:
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  • DS1119
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    Newch91 wrote:
    I'll gladly have Nunez in the field. I just hope he works like hell in the off season and spring training on his fielding. He can hit and he has great speed running.
    I like him too.
    DS1119 wrote:
    3B? How old is Nunez? I know he's pretty bad in the field, but is there room for improvement? I thought he was a decent hitter. Just Please no Youk.

    Is Pierzynski a possibility at Catcher?

    And someone metioned it the otehr day --is Gardner and Ichiro in the same outfield a bad thing?

    A lot of people are assuming Ichiro is done. He;s far from done.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/ ... mpSPXGIH7N

    I like Ichiro too. And I kinda like the idea of ichiro and Gardner.
    in that article it says: "Russell Martin wasn’t worth a multi-year deal, led to their starting catcher signing a two-year deal for $17 million with the Pirates."

    17 million?! Did he even break .199 avg? :fp:



    Whopping .211 thank you very much. :lol:
  • DS1119 wrote:
    Boy Montero would sure be a nice power player to plug into the catcher/dh position right now

    Montero is not a good catcher, he's well below league average.
  • BinauralJam
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    DS1119 wrote:
    Boy Montero would sure be a nice power player to plug into the catcher/dh position right now

    Montero is not a good catcher, he's well below league average.


    but he can hit, and if he wasn't playing in that staduim and in that lineup he would have value.

    in a side note Jason Bay singing there is a pisser, he went from the 3rd worst park to hit in to the 2nd worst park to hit in, only Sandy Diego is Worse.