The Official New York Yankees Thread

imalive wrote:

youk????? :shock:

:fp: Please tell me that's not true.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I completely disagree. Yes, they got some value from the contract...but why is it necessary to land a player of his caliber by agreeing to pay him over $25,000,000 up until he's 42? Everybody cringed at that thought the day he signed that contract. What's wrong with offering a contract until he's 38-39 and renewing if he proves his worth? How many productive 42 year old third basemen are there?

Yeah, its the Yankees, and that (and their money) make it easier to digest, but this year they are going to struggle with that $189 mil cap. They bit off more than they could chew and its by far the worst contract in sports. But seriously, i'd love for his to prove us otherwise...The guy is off steroids and constantly hurt. Hit around .270 with a dozen or so homers the last few years, looked like shit in postseason and acted as if he didnt care. So, for the 2013 season (already injured), 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017...its not a bad contract if the guy gets paid $25,000,000 to ride the pine and hit .250? its going to be ugly. His timing is fucked and he's older and off steroids. Done, put a fork in him and flush that last $100,000,000+ down the toilet. terrible contract.

i think you are missing my point ... everyone agrees that the contract sucks ... but this is the NY Yankees - they won't be missing a dime of it ... when they signed him - he had just come off a mvp year and they hadn't won a title since 2000 ... he would have gotten a horrible contract from some other team ... for the yankees - it's all about WS ... they got one in 2009 ... what's that worth in the grand scheme of things? ... and they've been in the post season every year since ...

polaris_x wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I completely disagree. Yes, they got some value from the contract...but why is it necessary to land a player of his caliber by agreeing to pay him over $25,000,000 up until he's 42? Everybody cringed at that thought the day he signed that contract. What's wrong with offering a contract until he's 38-39 and renewing if he proves his worth? How many productive 42 year old third basemen are there?

Yeah, its the Yankees, and that (and their money) make it easier to digest, but this year they are going to struggle with that $189 mil cap. They bit off more than they could chew and its by far the worst contract in sports. But seriously, i'd love for his to prove us otherwise...The guy is off steroids and constantly hurt. Hit around .270 with a dozen or so homers the last few years, looked like shit in postseason and acted as if he didnt care. So, for the 2013 season (already injured), 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017...its not a bad contract if the guy gets paid $25,000,000 to ride the pine and hit .250? its going to be ugly. His timing is fucked and he's older and off steroids. Done, put a fork in him and flush that last $100,000,000+ down the toilet. terrible contract.

i think you are missing my point ... everyone agrees that the contract sucks ... but this is the NY Yankees - they won't be missing a dime of it ... when they signed him - he had just come off a mvp year and they hadn't won a title since 2000 ... he would have gotten a horrible contract from some other team ... for the yankees - it's all about WS ... they got one in 2009 ... what's that worth in the grand scheme of things? ... and they've been in the post season every year since ...

No, I get your point. I kinda agree...And like I said, yes, they got a WS. was it worth $275,000,000 for 2-3 productive years and WS though? Some might think so, but I dont. And Postseason appearances are quickly forgotten -- and Arod is going to really hope they forget aboutt he last few postseasons.

I think you're missing my point actually, that clearly a better contract could've been reached, and if they made this same mistake on a few more players contracts, this would be a different discussion and the yankees would be in the cellar for 2012-2015...if its ok for them to eat so much money, why not just sign CC, Tex, and Cano until they're each 42 years old and not worry about it now? My point is that the absurdity has to stop somewhere and although the Yanks have a lot of dough to deal with, I'd bet they are not happy with the Arod situation/contract and will be quite embarrassed about the whole thing come 2017. You dont think they've reconsidered the way they've handled contracts recently? Its starting to show already. And Arod is only HALF way through his contract and things arent looking good for him.

By the way, here's an approximation:
Arod 2012 -- .270 18 HR (pathetic post season) $25,000,000+
Chavez 2012 -- .280 12 HR (in half the at bats as Arod) $900,000

Seriously, is anyone thinking that for the remainder (HALF) of the guys contract, he'll be anywhere worth $25 mil per year? If not, then we're just going to assume that Arods contract was paying him 50 million a year for the first few years and the rest is just a throw away.

Are there any other players in MLB that are signed until age 42 for anywhere near $25 mil?

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I think you're missing my point actually, that clearly a better contract could've been reached, and if they made this same mistake on a few more players contracts, this would be a different discussion and the yankees would be in the cellar for 2012-2015...if its ok for them to eat so much money, why not just sign CC, Tex, and Cano until they're each 42 years old and not worry about it now? My point is that the absurdity has to stop somewhere and although the Yanks have a lot of dough to deal with, I'd bet they are not happy with the Arod situation/contract and will be quite embarrassed about the whole thing come 2017. You dont think they've reconsidered the way they've handled contracts recently? Its starting to show already. And Arod is only HALF way through his contract and things arent looking good for him.

no ... i think i get your point ... your looking at the numbers and yeah - the guy sucks now (no one is arguing that) ... but at the time he came off an mvp season and the reality is that he was gonna get a shitty for any team contract regardless ... it's no different that pujols contract ... there are a ton of them out there ... and it's why i have always said mlb has the least amount of parity of all the major sports ... it basically allows the yanks, red sox, etc ... to compete ... the reality for the jays was that without spending - it was always gonna be hard to compete in the al east ... so, the yankees will always overpay because they can ... there isn't a lot of options if they wanted to keep him as all you need is 2 or 3 other teams that are prepared to spend spend spend to drive up the market ... look at greinke ... he's likely gonna be one of the highest paid pitchers - does he really deserve to be?

JonnyPistachio wrote:

True, and I forgot about Pujols..but at least he might still have something left to contribute in a few of his later years. Spending is just at an all time high and although it makes it tough for smaller market teams, the yankees have to to realize that huge contracts dont guarantee anything. Also, the yankees picked up Arod, then Tex and CC with big contracts all in a few years...trhey need to learn form these mistakes. My guess is that they will be good, but wont be a championship contender for several more years. Too much money tied up in crap like Arod, and they leave themselves out of the running for pitchers like Grienke.

As Cliffy said, we can blame Levine and Hank...I dont fault Arod at all for the conract...but I'd be willing to bet if they were in the position to get a high performance player like Hamilton or Cabrera or someone, they will be more cautious simply because they cant have more than one 42 year old taking up space on the bench and hogging all the girls by the dugout!

crikey ... pujols contract is way worse ... dude's salary actually climbs the later it gets ... at least ARod's declines in the final years ... dude is gonna get $30 million when he is 41 ...

they are all absurd ... all i know is that as bad as the contracts seem ... the yankees have been in the post season every year in a tough division (except for 2008) ... ARod is part of that ... however small or big ...

DS1119 wrote:

These teams would have had the same results since ACheater came on board with the Yankees. I honestly believe that. He has added absolutely zero to the team.

c'mon ... dude hit over 30 hrs with over 100 rbis from 2008-2010 ... how can you say he has added absolutely zero? ... and please ... i beg you guys ... i think he's a major douchebag and how i ended up defending him is making my stomach turn ...