I am so glad I didn't go to the Montana show.

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  • JimmyV wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    I'm always amused by people who explain to me they are against hunting and then order the steak at dinner. I have no interest in hunting anything ever, but I am a meat eater and somebody somewhere killed that animal for me. Hunting honestly is not so dissimilar to gay marriage or abortion for me. They are all things I don't want to do but don't see why others should be prevented from doing them. The "it's a free country" argument wins the day on this.

    The problem is that these animals are protected by the endangered species act which Tester has no regard for whatsoever.

    I hear you. In the case of these wolves were they legitimately endangered? I don't really know the background in this case.

    There's a lot of info here if you're interested.

    http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/tag/jon-tester/
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I know I am in the very small minority here who feel motives, what is in one's heart,
    is an aspect to hunting, even trophy, that should be considered.

    Though we never really know another's motive we can only listen to the
    why of what they do and decide the sincerity.
    We can also try to understand though we know it is not something we condone
    or could do ourselves.

    Laws to protect endangered animals should be enforced
    and more created as needed.
    Just as with pro lifers, we are grateful to those protecting life.
    We must also know it is a hunters right to kill for whatever reason
    as long as laws are obeyed.

    Montana is wild, unique, breathtaking. The people who live there respect
    their land and their wildlife. Because someone hunts does not mean they do not respect,
    quite the contrary.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    who supports every legislative action by one candidate they support? If you looking for a 100% approval of action a legislator makes or has made then you are going to deeply disappointed. maybe the guys don't support THIS part of Tester's ideology. i'm sure there is not one candidate i've ever voted for that i couldn't find something he supported or voted for that i disagree with. can you?
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Polar bear bill ties Senate in knots

    http://news.yahoo.com/senate-considers- ... 09853.html

    WASHINGTON (AP) — On its last day in session before the election, the Senate tied itself in knots over 41 polar bear carcasses that hunters want to bring home from Canada as big game trophies.
    After punting tough decisions on far weightier issues like raising taxes and cutting spending, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., insisted that the Senate address the wide-ranging sportsmen's bill before voting on must-pass legislation to prevent the government from shutting down at the end of next week.
    Republicans resisted for a while Friday, contending the only reason Reid wanted the vote now on the bill long sought by hunters and sport fishermen was to benefit Democratic incumbent Jon Tester 's re-election prospects in a tossup race in Montana that could determine which party runs the Senate next year.
    "This isn't a campaign studio, It's the Senate," Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., complained on the Senate floor Friday. "We've got responsibilities to meet. Let's meet them. And leave the politics out of it for once."
    The House had passed a similar bill in April that was co-sponsored by Rep. Denny Rehberg, Tester's Republican opponent in the Montana Senate race. In the end, Tester would get only a test vote as the Senate, yet again, punted another issue until after the election.
    Tester's bill combines 19 measures favorable to outdoorsmen. In addition to dealing with the polar bear hides, it would allow more hunting and fishing on federal lands, let bow hunters cross federal land where hunting isn't allowed, encourage federal land agencies to cooperate with state and local authorities to maintain shooting ranges, exclude ammunition and tackle from federal environmental laws that regulate lead, boost fish populations and protect animal habitat.
    Tester suggested that Friday's compromise allowing for a test vote but delaying a final one exemplifies why Congress has such a poor approval rating from voters.
    "That might take some of the politics out of it and if we ever made a decision here without politics it would be an earth shattering day," Tester said. "This bill right here is a prime example of what is wrong in Washington, D.C. — it's being held up for no reason whatsoever."
    The polar bear provision would allow the 41 hunters —including two in Montana — who killed polar bears in Canada just before a 2008 ban on polar bear trophy imports took effect to bring the bears' bodies across the border. The hunters involved were not able to bring the trophies home before the Fish and Wildlife Services listed them as a threatened species.
    Tester said it would just allow a few people who have polar bear trophies stored in Canada to finally bring them home. "These polar bears are dead, they are in cold storage and we know exactly who they are," he said.
    Michael Markarian of The Humane Society of the United States criticized the measure. "The cumulative impacts of incentivizing this killing over and over again are contrary to American conservation law," he said.
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  • JimmyV wrote:
    I'm always amused by people who explain to me they are against hunting and then order the steak at dinner. I have no interest in hunting anything ever, but I am a meat eater and somebody somewhere killed that animal for me. Hunting honestly is not so dissimilar to gay marriage or abortion for me. They are all things I don't want to do but don't see why others should be prevented from doing them. The "it's a free country" argument wins the day on this.
    For me if you eat the animal killed (or someone else does), its all well and good.

    However if you don't, you're disgusting.


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  • hedonist
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    pjhawks wrote:
    who supports every legislative action by one candidate they support? If you looking for a 100% approval of action a legislator makes or has made then you are going to deeply disappointed. maybe the guys don't support THIS part of Tester's ideology. i'm sure there is not one candidate i've ever voted for that i couldn't find something he supported or voted for that i disagree with. can you?
    Great points. I mean, hell, even the man I've chosen to live my life with isn't 100% on the same page as I am on each and every issue.

    Some things we assign greater weight to, some things we choose to overlook; we almost have to simply rationalize shit for our own purposes and happiness - and that's not always a negative. It's just life.

    I think it was Drifting who said on another thread something to the effect that he'd be broke and starving if he based his buying/living choices on where every person and company stood on various issues (I'm sure I decimated that, but you get the drift).
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604

    There's a lot of info here if you're interested.

    http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/tag/jon-tester/

    Heartbreaking stuff. Honestly surprised to see both of my Senators (Brown and Kerry) voted for it.
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  • A right-leaning democrat who connected with the people, protected their roadless land and supports gun rights is never going to get elected in Montana.

    I mean, aren't they all gay cowboys there?


    We get it you are gay, does everything you talk about have to have that common denominator. Oh yeah I am not a homophobic, I have plenty of friends who are gay, they just do not bring it up in every conversation we have.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Clearly, no one knows about all the other things Tester is about if they're completely focused on one thing that they're against.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/jon_tester.htm
  • Jeanwah wrote:
    Clearly, no one knows about all the other things Tester is about if they're completely focused on one thing that they're against.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/jon_tester.htm

    So it doesn't bother you that Tester wasted the Senates last session before the election so douchebags like this can hang the head of an endangered animal over their fireplace?

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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Obviously no candidates fits our wants and needs 100%. Clearly, by focusing on this *one* issue, you are making up your mind without even knowing how the other candidate feels, nor anything about everything else Tester stands for. It's refusing to see the big picture, not making informed choices, and jumping to conclusions. Of all the great things that Tester is about, (and there are, yet you refuse to educate yourself on them), I know that letting go of the idea of a perfect person, let alone politician, is very necessary. And he's already won, so you're wasting precious energy being angry about something you can't control. Take a deep breath and move on.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it's a pretty big issue ...

    would be enough for me to not vote for tester ...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    Was there another candidate on the ballot who disagreed with Tester on this issue?
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  • Jeanwah
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    polaris_x wrote:
    it's a pretty big issue ...

    would be enough for me to not vote for tester ...

    If your only other option was a Karl Rove backed republican, would you really, Polaris?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    Jeanwah wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's a pretty big issue ...

    would be enough for me to not vote for tester ...

    If your only other option was a Karl Rove backed republican, would you really, Polaris?

    This is kinda what I am thinking too. Was there a better alternative even on this issue alone? (Maybe there was, I don't really know.)
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  • polaris_x wrote:
    it's a pretty big issue ...

    would be enough for me to not vote for tester ...

    It's a disgrace and shouldn't be dismissed as a one off issue. :fp:
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jeanwah wrote:
    If your only other option was a Karl Rove backed republican, would you really, Polaris?

    well ... you know i would most likely not vote for a republican ... if all the candidates shared his position on this - then i guess i would have to spoil my ballot ... everyone has their key issues ... this would be big enough for me to not support him ...
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Come on man I even went to the show even though it was for Tester. :lol:
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    If your only other option was a Karl Rove backed republican, would you really, Polaris?

    well ... you know i would most likely not vote for a republican ... if all the candidates shared his position on this - then i guess i would have to spoil my ballot ... everyone has their key issues ... this would be big enough for me to not support him ...

    I don't like it either. But clearly a special interest group bought him out. That's what's disgusting about politicians. This is what they do, so the best way to go is weigh all the issues with all the candidates and decide then what's best. All the issues Tester supports are issues I consider more important than this (women's rights, etc, health care, education, corporations etc.). People and their welfare means more to me.
  • lukin2006
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    polaris_x wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    If your only other option was a Karl Rove backed republican, would you really, Polaris?

    well ... you know i would most likely not vote for a republican ... if all the candidates shared his position on this - then i guess i would have to spoil my ballot ... everyone has their key issues ... this would be big enough for me to not support him ...

    There likely would have been a green party candidate that would have been opposed to it ... don't they allow write in's ... Polaris for US Congress.

    I'm even more shocked that these hunts are allowed in Canada ... shame on us.
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