it's a simple choice

MN3270 · October 2012

a vote for obama is a vote to perpetuate the downward spiral in our country. . . . . that is, there is little or no incentive for the millions of free loaders to ever become productive members of society. i know so many hard working people that are struggling more than people collecting government benefits. this administration supports this severely flawed system, which will lead to further generations of free loaders.

let's face it; obama was a media creation to begin with and is more concerned with being a celebrity than he is fixing the problems in this country.

gimmesometruth27 · October 2012

MN3270 wrote:

a vote for obama is a vote to perpetuate the downward spiral in our country. . . . . that is, there is little or no incentive for the millions of free loaders to ever become productive members of society. i know so many hard working people that are struggling more than people collecting government benefits. this administration supports this severely flawed system, which will lead to further generations of free loaders.

let's face it; obama was a media creation to begin with and is more concerned with being a celebrity than he is fixing the problems in this country.

ok yeah, let's go back to the same reagan and w bush policies that are proven failures that got us into this mess in the first place. that is a splendid idea...

that is what a romney vote will get ya..

Prince Of Dorkness · October 2012

MN3270 wrote:

a vote for obama is a vote to perpetuate the downward spiral in our country. . . . . that is, there is little or no incentive for the millions of free loaders to ever become productive members of society.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing Republicans (a high number of whom are on some form of government assistance that people like ME have to foot the bill for) telling me about the "free loaders" and "moochers" and people asking for a "handout."

A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for someone whose entire "business" experience has been buying successful companies, bankrupting them and selling the parts to China. Someone who doesn't give half a shit about you and hides his tax returns because - and sorry, but we ALL know this - he is a tax cheat and stole money from YOU.

So you go ahead and vote for the man who changes his policies every couple of days, depending on whom he needs to suck up to or who wrote him the biggest check that week. See where it gets you.

And... sorry... but you deserve this one, too... Let's not forget what happened the LAST time we let idiot Republicans give a chance to a stinking rich idiot plutocrat.

brianlux · October 2012

Why does this all sound vaguely familiar? Sheesh. Like this thread will change votes.

Two more weeks of this... only two more weeks.

Reminds me of a joke, and I can tell this one because my wife told it to me and she's blonde:

Two blondes are in a bar toasting each other.

"Two weeks! Here's to two weeks!"

After three or four rounds of this the bartender finally says, "OK, I have to know. What is it with 'Two weeks?'"

One of the blondes says, "Well, we got a jigsaw puzzle and it say right on the box 'Two to Four Years' and we did it in TWO WEEKS!"

Happy voting, everyone. Two weeks, here's to two weeks.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2012

MN3270 wrote:

a vote for obama is a vote to perpetuate the downward spiral in our country. . . . . that is, there is little or no incentive for the millions of free loaders to ever become productive members of society. i know so many hard working people that are struggling more than people collecting government benefits. this administration supports this severely flawed system, which will lead to further generations of free loaders.

let's face it; obama was a media creation to begin with and is more concerned with being a celebrity than he is fixing the problems in this country.

Aside from the other inflammatory things you have said... your last statement borders on ridiculous.

What if someone said:

let's face it; Romney is a bored, rich, privileged man who wishes to seek the presidency from a dare originating from a heated, post dinner cigar conversation with his cronies one summer evening: "I'll show you how to run this country!"

Wouldn't that be ridiculous?

AzWicker · October 2012

When a company takes tax breaks or gov funding it is considered a smart business move, when a person does it, it is considered leeching. Weird since a corporation is an individual now.

That said,
Obama = Romney

know1 · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for someone whose entire "business" experience has been buying successful companies, bankrupting them and selling the parts to China. Someone who doesn't give half a shit about you and hides his tax returns because - and sorry, but we ALL know this - he is a tax cheat and stole money from YOU.

You have proof that he is a tax cheat? And that the IRS is ignoring it? You don't think that Obama would be shouting it from the rooftops if it were true?

I understand supporting someone (although neither of these two scumbags), but to just be so deceptive and to outright lie is pretty deplorable.

(Also, cheating on taxes is not really stealing from citizens)

hedonist · October 2012

The original post didn't strike me as rude; why the backlash?

It's no more inflammatory than other threads and posts I've read in these forums, not to mention some of the replies right here.

Anyway...traffic will be somewhat fucked up here in LA later today; President's going on Leno again :P

brianlux · October 2012

hedonist wrote:

The original post didn't strike me as rude; why the backlash?

It's no more inflammatory than other threads and posts I've read in these forums, not to mention some of the replies right here.

Anyway...traffic will be somewhat fucked up here in LA later today; President's going on Leno again :P

I think it was the incendiary comment about "freeloaders" which goes back to that Romney statement about 47% of Americans.

And isn't traffic always fucked up in L.A. ?

BinauralJam · October 2012

It is a very simple choice.

hedonist · October 2012

brianlux wrote:

hedonist wrote:

The original post didn't strike me as rude; why the backlash?

It's no more inflammatory than other threads and posts I've read in these forums, not to mention some of the replies right here.

Anyway...traffic will be somewhat fucked up here in LA later today; President's going on Leno again :P

I think it was the incendiary comment about "freeloaders" which goes back to that Romney statement about 47% of Americans.

And isn't traffic always fucked up in L.A. ?

Like I said - no more inflammatory. I don't agree with that particular term of painting an entire group, but we seem to have many artistes here (and I'll say, Picassos, we are not!).

And yeah, pretty much always fucked, roadwise.

polaris_x · October 2012

brianlux wrote:

I think it was the incendiary comment about "freeloaders" which goes back to that Romney statement about 47% of Americans.

And isn't traffic always fucked up in L.A. ?

as well as that there was absolutely nothing factual about his post and that it reeked of the same partisan BS that plagues america ...

JonnyPistachio · October 2012

That there are more people on food stamps these days is not a make it or break it situation to me. Its unfortunate and i do think something needs to be done. However, I think spending, or rather offering an additional 2 TRILLION bucks to the military is a far bigger problem when it comes to domestic spending.

Prince Of Dorkness · October 2012

know1 wrote:

You have proof that he is a tax cheat?

Got proof that he isn't?

You know what my "proof" is? we haven't seen any of his tax records before 2009. And that's when the Amnesty was given to Americans who were hiding money in foreign accounts and not paying taxes on it. And if he released his taxes before that, we'd see proof of it.

Why has the IRS not gone after him? Because of the Amnesty given to the Americans who wanted to come clean and not be charged for it.

Does this PROVE it? No. But if you can come up with a better excuse he'd have to just make this issue go away and release even ONE year... I'm all ears.

I understand supporting someone (although neither of these two scumbags), but to just be so deceptive and to outright lie is pretty deplorable.

I agree. And yet, the OP doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

(Also, cheating on taxes is not really stealing from citizens)

Of course it is. Cheating on Taxes means that the tax revenue you avoided paying would have gone to the deficit... to the national debt... to pay for school lunches and roads and bridges and yes... even that war. Cheating on taxes is absolutely stealing from the citizens.

whygohome · October 2012

It's a simple choice: open this thread or don't.

I made the wrong choice.

brianlux · October 2012

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

hedonist wrote:

The original post didn't strike me as rude; why the backlash?

It's no more inflammatory than other threads and posts I've read in these forums, not to mention some of the replies right here.

Anyway...traffic will be somewhat fucked up here in LA later today; President's going on Leno again :P

I think it was the incendiary comment about "freeloaders" which goes back to that Romney statement about 47% of Americans.

And isn't traffic always fucked up in L.A. ?

Like I said - no more inflammatory. I don't agree with that particular term of painting an entire group, but we seem to have many artistes here (and I'll say, Picassos, we are not!).

And yeah, pretty much always fucked, roadwise.

I'm having a bit of a battle in my head while thinking about this Hedonist. I think you make a good point but I also think often what is painted are generalizations of thought- like a landscape- which I think is often appropriate. But when individual people are placed in that landscape, it's good to at least give a little more thought to how one wants them portrayed.

I hope I'm not coming across as an artist. That is, as a bullshit artist!

hedonist · October 2012

brianlux wrote:

I'm having a bit of a battle in my head while thinking about this Hedonist. I think you make a good point but I also think often what is painted are generalizations of thought- like a landscape- which I think is often appropriate. But when individual people are placed in that landscape, it's good to at least give a little more thought to how one wants them portrayed.

I hope I'm not coming across as an artist. That is, as a bullshit artist!

Generalizations of groups of people is often inappropriate to me. If (part of) one's ideology is despised, seems the entire person is; if someone has had bad experiences with a particular group, the entire group is shit.

Like I said in another thread earlier, I'm just sick of it already. I get that there's anger, for many valid reasons, but it just seems to perpetuate silly arguments, inconsequential distractions, and some ugliness toward eachother.

It'd be a shame if nothing positive - at the least, seeing things from a different, perhaps unfamiliar view - comes from all this.

brianlux · October 2012

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I'm having a bit of a battle in my head while thinking about this Hedonist. I think you make a good point but I also think often what is painted are generalizations of thought- like a landscape- which I think is often appropriate. But when individual people are placed in that landscape, it's good to at least give a little more thought to how one wants them portrayed.

I hope I'm not coming across as an artist. That is, as a bullshit artist!

Generalizations of groups of people is often inappropriate to me. If (part of) one's ideology is despised, seems the entire person is; if someone has had bad experiences with a particular group, the entire group is shit.

Like I said in another thread earlier, I'm just sick of it already. I get that there's anger, for many valid reasons, but it just seems to perpetuate silly arguments, inconsequential distractions, and some ugliness toward eachother.

It'd be a shame if nothing positive - at the least, seeing things from a different, perhaps unfamiliar view - comes from all this.

I see what you're saying and if something-- if anything- I personally have said here or elsewhere was offensive to you I apologize for that. I have apologized to others here for the same kind of thing. At some time or other almost everyone here has gotten over-heated about a topic they feel strongly about and passions or strong opinions about them take over. Hopefully all of us take time to step back now and then at least long enough to reformulate our words. I use "Preview" a lot but sometimes I'm in a hurry and hit "Submit" (which could also be called "Fail") first instead. We're all learning.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

know1 wrote:

You have proof that he is a tax cheat?

Got proof that he isn't?

You know what my "proof" is? we haven't seen any of his tax records before 2009. And that's when the Amnesty was given to Americans who were hiding money in foreign accounts and not paying taxes on it. And if he released his taxes before that, we'd see proof of it.

I gotta tell ya, Prince, that this is the same damn argument conspiracy theorists used about Obama not being American. Romney not releasing his tax records does not mean he is automatically a cheat, just like Obama not showing his birth certificate to the world didn't make him a Kenyan.

hedonist · October 2012

brianlux wrote:

I see what you're saying and if something-- if anything- I personally have said here or elsewhere was offensive to you I apologize for that. I have apologized to others here for the same kind of thing. At some time or other almost everyone here has gotten over-heated about a topic they feel strongly about and passions or strong opinions about them take over. Hopefully all of us take time to step back now and then at least long enough to reformulate our words. I use "Preview" a lot but sometimes I'm in a hurry and hit "Submit" (which could also be called "Fail") first instead. We're all learning.

Brian - you have no need to apologize to me. I know you're a decent man and while we're not eye-to-eye on some things, there's enough I've seen of you to get it...to not let those differences get in the way.

(I too use "preview" and then sometimes just get rid of the shit. It's a nice purge - type it out and then......delete! The alternative can be so tiring at times.)

And, on the learning part? Amen. I hope I never stop.

Prince Of Dorkness · October 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I gotta tell ya, Prince, that this is the same damn argument conspiracy theorists used about Obama not being American. Romney not releasing his tax records does not mean he is automatically a cheat, just like Obama not showing his birth certificate to the world didn't make him a Kenyan.

Don't agree with you on that.

The president DID release a birth certificate early on... and the people who couldn't accept that a black man had won pounced on it saying they wanted the "LONG FORM" one. Then when he did release that, they insisted that it was a fake. A bit different.

(and while every presidential candidate has released his returns from 10 years back... no other president has been expected to release his "long form" birth certificate. Different rules for black men?)

Romney has never released a tax return from before 2009.

Now, you're right.. not releasing tax returns doesn't necessarily make him a cheat... although he insisted that he never paid less than 13% and when there was closer scrutiny, it was clear that he had intentionally left out deductions on his 2011 return to keep the number that high (and those amendments will be made after he loses the election, I'm sure).

But it DOES raise a pretty big red flag with me that someone who has foreign accounts in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland and won't release returns before 2009 when the Amnesty was granted to people using foreign tax shelters... that's a few pretty glaring clues that there's something up.

Don't you think?

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