Nut job Terry Jones denied at Canadian border

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,038
    Byrnzie wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I believe in freedom of speech too. I don't believe in border guards allowing fuck heads with criminal records into my country to stir up shit and spread racist hate. Again, freedom of speech is not something border guards should be considering when stopping people with criminal records with an obvious risk of recommitting alfron crossing the border.

    What racist hate? Or is this something else about which you don't know the details?
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I don't know the details of the charges... I don't see how it's relevant to the situation. Customs needs to look at the person's record and their likelihood of reoffending in the country they're protecting, and not at whether or not there is done underlying political motivation on the part of law enforcement in another country.

    You don't see how the details of the charges against him relating to disturbing the peace are relevant to the claim that he shouldn't be allowed into Canada because he was previously accused of disturbing the peace?
    Not as far as the Canadian customs officers making the call at the time are concerned.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Not as far as the Canadian customs officers making the call at the time are concerned.

    And whether the pigs were right or wrong, and possibly acting to silence someone for his political beliefs, is irrelevant, right?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,038
    Byrnzie wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Not as far as the Canadian customs officers making the call at the time are concerned.

    And whether the pigs were right or wrong, and possibly acting to silence someone for his political beliefs, is irrelevant, right?
    For the customs officers at the time?? Yes, of course! What are they supposed to do?? Hold the person in question while they carry out a new trial??
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Does he have a criminal record? If he does anywhere he will not be let in...as for the custom officers I doubt they care what his views are...something must have shown up on the computer that alerted them to do a secondary inspection...but if has a criminal record he will have a tough time getting in...
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    According to the article OP posted he has no criminal record

    "The CBSA's questioning included references to the group's past run-ins with the law - such as breach of peace charges related to a protest last year in Dearborn, Mich. The charges were eventually dropped."

    He is a piece of shit but I have no problem letting him cross our border, this does look like a case of censorship.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I have no problem keeping him out if it could have potentially cost taxpayers extra money for police to secure where he was speaking. If who was having him here top speak was willing too pay for police and cover any extra cost to the taxpayer associated with him speaking ... then by all means let him speak.

    But for now I'll just have to go with the CBSA judgement on this one.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,038
    dignin wrote:
    According to the article OP posted he has no criminal record

    "The CBSA's questioning included references to the group's past run-ins with the law - such as breach of peace charges related to a protest last year in Dearborn, Mich. The charges were eventually dropped."

    He is a piece of shit but I have no problem letting him cross our border, this does look like a case of censorship.
    You're right, my bad... but no way he's not on the FBI red flag list at least, and is clearly watched closely by his own government and law enforcement. There is no way customs is sitting there conversing about the merits or black thereof of what this guy has said and then determines to censor him by not letting him in. The guy is a danger to the peace, and it is not custom's job to uphold freedom of speech. At all. It's to make the most conservative decisions possible in order to ensure the safety of its citizens and government. It's not a round table for discussing the Charter of Rights as it applies to NON-citizens who aren't even within the country where it applies.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,673
    its not fair. First you inflict Celine Dion on us. THEN Nickelback. then Justin Beiber. you OWE us. :mrgreen:
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,038
    mickeyrat wrote:
    its not fair. First you inflict Celine Dion on us. THEN Nickelback. then Justin Beiber. you OWE us. :mrgreen:
    Yeah, but we also gave you Ryan Gossling, Wayne Gretzky, and Neil Young, so we're square. :D
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,673
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    its not fair. First you inflict Celine Dion on us. THEN Nickelback. then Justin Beiber. you OWE us. :mrgreen:
    Yeah, but we also gave you Ryan Gossling, Wayne Gretzky, and Neil Young, so we're square. :D
    And Rush . Cant forget about Rush.
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,038
    mickeyrat wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    its not fair. First you inflict Celine Dion on us. THEN Nickelback. then Justin Beiber. you OWE us. :mrgreen:
    Yeah, but we also gave you Ryan Gossling, Wayne Gretzky, and Neil Young, so we're square. :D
    And Rush . Cant forget about Rush.
    I thought at first that you meant Rush Limbaugh, and I was all "WTF HE'S CANADIAN?!?!?! NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" panic.gif
    And then I remembered the band. Meh.

    :lol:
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