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mfc2006 · October 2012

Chief Broom wrote:

norm wrote:

congrats Miguel! :clap:

finally a triple crown winner in my lifetime

He's been awesome to watch. Really glad he was able to pull it off. :clap:

definitely fun to watch!

igotid88 · October 2012

Pat Neshek ‏@PatNeshek
Please pray for my family. Tonight my wife & I lost our first & only son 23 hours after he was born with no explanation.

The Fixer · October 2012

DewieCox wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Enough proof that Cabrera is most deserving...

1.Triple Crown
2. Team in playoffs
3 Performing in September

1 - doesn't mean he had a better year than trout
2 - trout's team had a better record
3 - so did trout...also, season is six months long, not one

1. No, but he had a historically monumental year. People are gonna remember that Cabrera won the Triple Crown. They might remember that Trout had an epic rookie year, but they're not gonna remember the ins and outs of it.
2. Sure, but he didn't elevate his team to do what it had to do to continue playing after today.
3. Where was Trout when his team needed him most? Finishing behind the 2x defending AL champs is nothing to be ashamed of, but they couldn't even overcome the A's. They're likely in the same position with or without him.

no disrespect, but these arguments are futile.

the central divisions should be contracted. they skew opinions because the comp is inferior to the other divisions. just look at what cabrera did vs the royals/indians/etc vs what trout did against the 2 of the 3 best AL teams that reside in his division.

congrats to cabrera, but the arguments for him are comical. he will win because people are still mesmorized by outdated stats like RBI, but trout is far more deserving if you look at the entire picture.

I'm over talking about it. I could care less who wins individual awards. I am just hoping that this year's vote educates people on how to better evaluate players. there is a lot more to the game than hitting...make fun advanced stats all you want, but if you 'watch games' it isn't hard to realize this fact.

so I agree that we should celebrate cbrera's accomplishment. then we should honor the guy who had the best year, who is obviously trout

I think cabrera will win. and 20 years from now people will look back and laugh at the outcome

The Fixer · October 2012

DewieCox wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

so he deserves the award for being marginally better at the plate...and severely deficient (compared to trout) in all other aspects??

We're not comparing anyone to lots of other great players...we are comparing trout and cabrera

I don't see how that makes sense

I don't think 60 rbi is that marginal.

rbi is a flawed and outdated stat. entirely dependent on players in front of said player getting on base. you can't knock em in if the bases are empty. it was useful in the 60's and 70's, but the sport has evolved and there are better ways to evaluate players.

what's diff between rbi and runs scored? meaningless counting stats. for the record, trout had 20 more runs scored in 30 less games.

look at their baserunning and defensive metrics. will blow your mind

The Fixer · October 2012

igotid88 wrote:

Pat Neshek ‏@PatNeshek
Please pray for my family. Tonight my wife & I lost our first & only son 23 hours after he was born with no explanation.

that's terrible. wont get any pub, but far more important than the dumb mvp debate

best wishes to the neshek fam

DewieCox · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

the central divisions should be contracted. they skew opinions because the comp is inferior to the other divisions. just look at what cabrera did vs the royals/indians/etc vs what trout did against the 2 of the 3 best AL teams that reside in his division.

congrats to cabrera, but the arguments for him are comical. he will win because people are still mesmorized by outdated stats like RBI, but trout is far more deserving if you look at the entire picture.

I'm over talking about it. I could care less who wins individual awards. I am just hoping that this year's vote educates people on how to better evaluate players. there is a lot more to the game than hitting...make fun advanced stats all you want, but if you 'watch games' it isn't hard to realize this fact.

so I agree that we should celebrate cbrera's accomplishment. then we should honor the guy who had the best year, who is obviously trout

I think cabrera will win. and 20 years from now people will look back and laugh at the outcome

The team did what they had to do. Can't blame them b/c they play in a weak division. Besides that, the Central divisions in both leagues are responsible for their fair share of WS champs, so it must not be that weak.

Those stats are no more outdated than the stats you're offering are new and hip. It's all just numbers. I'd rather have results.

Again, how valuable can those stats be if Trout's team, which has a more impressive roster top to bottom, is sitting at home?

I don't know how anybody could say a player sitting at home in October is the obvious MVP.

I think 20 years from now people will be waiting another 30 years for another triple crown winner.

DewieCox · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

rbi is a flawed and outdated stat. entirely dependent on players in front of said player getting on base. you can't knock em in if the bases are empty. it was useful in the 60's and 70's, but the sport has evolved and there are better ways to evaluate players.

what's diff between rbi and runs scored? meaningless counting stats. for the record, trout had 20 more runs scored in 30 less games.

look at their baserunning and defensive metrics. will blow your mind

If it was useful in the 60s and 70s it's useful today. The game hasn't changed that much.

You wanna talk about outdated stats? Stolen bases is at the top of the list.

Indifference71 · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

rbi is a flawed and outdated stat. entirely dependent on players in front of said player getting on base. you can't knock em in if the bases are empty. it was useful in the 60's and 70's, but the sport has evolved and there are better ways to evaluate players.

what's diff between rbi and runs scored? meaningless counting stats. for the record, trout had 20 more runs scored in 30 less games.

look at their baserunning and defensive metrics. will blow your mind

I get that there are better ways to evaluate players than RBI's these days, but I think people write off RBIs too easily these days. Yes, you need people to get on base in front of you which can't be controlled by the hitter. But at the same time, the hitter still has to get a clutch hit to drive in runs which isn't an easy thing to do.

Jason P · October 2012

I thought the Triple Crown had become a mythical achievement that I would never witness in my lifetime.

Congratulations to Miguel Cabrera.

:clap:

Ledbetterman10 · October 2012

Ichiro is still getting used to the idea of winning.

Newch91 · October 2012

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Ichiro is still getting used to the idea of winning.

keeponrockin · October 2012

Go Giants! (my NL team...)

lukin2006 · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

and 20 years from now people will look back and laugh at the outcome

I doubt it...no one laughing at Yastrzemski...20-30-40 years from now people will know who Cabrera is and what he accomplished.

polaris_x · October 2012

here's to omar!

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi ... --mlb.html

polaris_x · October 2012

my 2 cents on mvp ... miggy had a great year but if i had a vote - it would be for trout ... offensively - they are similar with trout having a bit less power but way more speed (49 sbs!) ... plus, i think defensively he's far more valuable than miggy ... i honestly don't buy the playoffs thing cuz the reality is that the central division was the weakest in the AL ... the angels were 500 and above against all divisions ... can't say the same about the tigers ...

DewieCox · October 2012

polaris_x wrote:

here's to omar!

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi ... --mlb.html

I didn't know he was still playing til last night.

Looks like Berkman is hanging em up too. Got an at bat and a huge ovation last night, and when he grounded out he made sure to jog down and touch first base. It was kinda sad. Glad he got a ring last year with my Cards. Class act.

DewieCox · October 2012

polaris_x wrote:

my 2 cents on mvp ... miggy had a great year but if i had a vote - it would be for trout ... offensively - they are similar with trout having a bit less power but way more speed (49 sbs!) ... plus, i think defensively he's far more valuable than miggy ... i honestly don't buy the playoffs thing cuz the reality is that the central division was the weakest in the AL ... the angels were 500 and above against all divisions ... can't say the same about the tigers ...

Way less power

They're ranked about the same among their positon.

West is a stronger division, but Trout also has a better team around him.

lukin2006 · October 2012

polaris_x wrote:

my 2 cents on mvp ... miggy had a great year but if i had a vote - it would be for trout ... offensively - they are similar with trout having a bit less power but way more speed (49 sbs!) ... plus, i think defensively he's far more valuable than miggy ... i honestly don't buy the playoffs thing cuz the reality is that the central division was the weakest in the AL ... the angels were 500 and above against all divisions ... can't say the same about the tigers ...

When the Tigers needed Cabrera the most he stepped up his game...the last 6 weeks of the season the miggy was way better than Trout...up to that point I would have said Trout.

But miggy carried the Tigers from mid August on...and played the entire season with a lead off hitter that is inconsistant at times, still strikes out too much and doesn't walk as much...even though Jackson came into his own and was far better than last year he still can be inconsistant. They never had any player consistant in the number 2 slot and used multiple players...yet he still drove in 139.

Miggy is the MVP, it's a 162 game season and miggy never slumped...model of consistency and most importantly he delivered in September when his team needed it...Trout slumped in September...257 average, 5 HR, 6 RBI'S...Miggy 10 HR, 27 RBI'S, 308.

Take a peek since Aug. 1 heading into Tuesday:

Cabrera: .343 with 42 runs, 19 homers, 52 RBI, .411 on-base percentage, .676 slugging, 1.087 on-base plus slugging percentage.

Trout: .284 with 49 runs, 12 homers, 28 RBI, 17 stolen bases, .381 OBP, .500 slugging, .881 OPS.

Miggy MVP

vant0037 · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

Pat Neshek ‏@PatNeshek
Please pray for my family. Tonight my wife & I lost our first & only son 23 hours after he was born with no explanation.

that's terrible. wont get any pub, but far more important than the dumb mvp debate

best wishes to the neshek fam

Pat went to high school on the other side of town from me. Great guy - very cool, "old-time" type player. If you send him a baseball card in the mail, he sends one signed back. He also trades with fans. Unique guy.

Terrible, terrible news for him.

vant0037 · October 2012

Anyone got picks on the World Series?

Here's mine:

WC 1-game play-in
AL: Texas over Baltimore
NL: St. Louis over Atlanta

LDS
AL: Texas over NY in 5, Oakland over Detroit in 4
NL: Cincinnati over San Francisco, Washington over St. Louis

LCS
AL: Texas over Oakland in 5 games
NL: Cincinnati over Washington in 6 games

World Series
Texas over Cincinnati in 5 games. Texas finally breaks through. This team has been too good for too long now to not be a World Champion.

I just don't see a lot of close series' this year. Too many teams with too many Achilles' heels, weird lineup problems, streaky dispositions. The teams that streak now will probably steam roll their opponents (i.e. Oakland in the LCS) and the teams that fade now will probably be pushovers (i.e. Detroit in the LCS).

What do you think?

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