Israelis shrug at Netanyahu's urgent warnings on Iran
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if netanyahu has such a hard on for attacking iran why doesnt he man up and just do it... israel is nuclear armed so whats stopping him??? why is he cowering behind the US?hear my name
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catefrances wrote:if netanyahu has such a hard on for attacking iran why doesnt he man up and just do it... israel is nuclear armed so whats stopping him??? why is he cowering behind the US?
That's the last thing Iran and the Middle East want. Israel took Egypt once and we made them give it back. They'd own everything if we let them do that.
They wouldn't need nukes....
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EdsonNascimento wrote:catefrances wrote:if netanyahu has such a hard on for attacking iran why doesnt he man up and just do it... israel is nuclear armed so whats stopping him??? why is he cowering behind the US?
That's the last thing Iran and the Middle East want. Israel took Egypt once and we made them give it back. They'd own everything if we let them do that.
They wouldn't need nukes....
im just curious as to why netanyahu feels he needs the approval and backing of the US. if iran is such a threat to his nation, why not say fuck you were going in. afterall thats what the US usually does.could it be that israel actually needs the US more than they let on? could it be that netanyahu is all talk? could it be he is too shit scared to act alone despite iran being a 'clear threat to the existence of his nation'.. if only in his imagination? or could it be that netanyahu is just a schoolyard bully trying to keep his area of the world destabilised cause it suits him to do so?
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catefrances wrote:EdsonNascimento wrote:catefrances wrote:if netanyahu has such a hard on for attacking iran why doesnt he man up and just do it... israel is nuclear armed so whats stopping him??? why is he cowering behind the US?
That's the last thing Iran and the Middle East want. Israel took Egypt once and we made them give it back. They'd own everything if we let them do that.
They wouldn't need nukes....
im just curious as to why netanyahu feels he needs the approval and backing of the US. if iran is such a threat to his nation, why not say fuck you were going in. afterall thats what the US usually does.could it be that israel actually needs the US more than they let on? could it be that netanyahu is all talk? could it be he is too shit scared to act alone despite iran being a 'clear threat to the existence of his nation'.. if only in his imagination? or could it be that netanyahu is just a schoolyard bully trying to keep his area of the world destabilised cause it suits him to do so?
It's because the US holds them back. If you look at their brief history, any time they've "needed" (a subjective word in this case) to show strength, they've pretty much taken whatever they've wanted. The US then make them give it back. Israel follows because
A) They really don't want anything more than is theirsThey really do just want to live peacefully if others would just let them
C) They know the US is the one country that could take them out
The fact is, its the other countries that are effectively hiding behind the US. They know the US won't let Israel loose, so they threaten and threaten and threaten. That is why Netanyahu has said - enough!!! Get some balls Obama and set a deadline. Unfortunately, Obama goes on The View. So, we know where his balls are.Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
EdsonNascimento wrote:It's because the US holds them back. If you look at their brief history, any time they've "needed" (a subjective word in this case) to show strength, they've pretty much taken whatever they've wanted. The US then make them give it back. Israel follows because
A) They really don't want anything more than is theirsThey really do just want to live peacefully if others would just let them
C) They know the US is the one country that could take them out
The fact is, its the other countries that are effectively hiding behind the US. They know the US won't let Israel loose, so they threaten and threaten and threaten. That is why Netanyahu has said - enough!!! Get some balls Obama and set a deadline. Unfortunately, Obama goes on The View. So, we know where his balls are.
according to you, what exactly is israel's?
they were not a country until we GAVE it to them in 1948. the land they stole during the 1967 war is not their land. it is palestinian land that they took and on that land they have been building illegal settlements that have been condemned by every country in the world but the US. those settlements are against international law. but because of their cozy relationship with us, they will never be taken to task over it. the un has voted time and again to condemn israel for these illegal settlements, but every time this vote is passed it is vetoed by the US. go figure, right?
their zionist government does not want to live in peace because if they did there would not be an apartheid regime in the west bank and gaza. all this is doing is making them less likely to live in peace.
according to my article, the average israeli citizen does not want to go to war with iran. they are more concerned about earthquakes. they are not concerned about their ability to defeat iran, rather they are concerned about the fallout from their neighbors if they were to attack iran.
netanyahu does not need our permission. he can act as he pleases. he is the head of a soverign nation. israel is not a colony of the united states. we just help to arm them. they can attack if they want to, but they know that other countries would love to attack israel as retaliation. if israel attacks iran they would be destroying their own country.
the sanctions ARE working. they are having a greater effect on iran than anyone expected. they are crippling iran.
obama realizes that this sabre-rattling is what it is. it is netanyahu trying to goad US and our military into another war all because the zionists want it. let the zionists fight their own wars and leave us the hell out of it. obama is not a neocon and he is not a member of pnac, so why would he want to start ANOTHER war in the region? why are you calling for him to do so??"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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EdsonNascimento wrote:It's because the US holds them back. If you look at their brief history, any time they've "needed" (a subjective word in this case) to show strength, they've pretty much taken whatever they've wanted. The US then make them give it back. Israel follows because
A) They really don't want anything more than is theirsThey really do just want to live peacefully if others would just let them
C) They know the US is the one country that could take them out
The fact is, its the other countries that are effectively hiding behind the US. They know the US won't let Israel loose, so they threaten and threaten and threaten. That is why Netanyahu has said - enough!!! Get some balls Obama and set a deadline. Unfortunately, Obama goes on The View. So, we know where his balls are.seriously? you believe israel really wants peace(if others ould just let them) are you kidding me? who is it that doesnt want to allow israel to live in peace??... that they dont want more than is theirs??? what exactly is theirs??? and no they seem to believe iran can take them out... isnt that why netanyahu is freaking out wanting to pre emptively strike them??? can you please read some history before you seek to engage in conversation cause your post appears to show you know nothing about the situation.
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catefrances wrote:EdsonNascimento wrote:It's because the US holds them back. If you look at their brief history, any time they've "needed" (a subjective word in this case) to show strength, they've pretty much taken whatever they've wanted. The US then make them give it back. Israel follows because
A) They really don't want anything more than is theirsThey really do just want to live peacefully if others would just let them
C) They know the US is the one country that could take them out
The fact is, its the other countries that are effectively hiding behind the US. They know the US won't let Israel loose, so they threaten and threaten and threaten. That is why Netanyahu has said - enough!!! Get some balls Obama and set a deadline. Unfortunately, Obama goes on The View. So, we know where his balls are.who is it that doesnt want to allow israel to live in peace??...
Really? Did you just ask that? :?
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EdsonNascimento wrote:catefrances wrote:
who is it that doesnt want to allow israel to live in peace??...
Really? Did you just ask that? :?
I guess I am done here.
yes i did. care to answer?hear my name
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catefrances wrote:EdsonNascimento wrote:catefrances wrote:
who is it that doesnt want to allow israel to live in peace??...
Really? Did you just ask that? :?
I guess I am done here.
yes i did. care to answer?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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sanctions ARE working on the iranian people...
Iranian: 'Our money is becoming more and more worthless every day'
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By Ali Arouzi, NBC News correspondent
TEHRAN – Even though threats of war with Israel are almost a daily occurrence, what’s really on people's minds in this city is the economy.
The United States, the European Union and the U.N. have imposed tough economic sanctions against Iran, blocking access to the international banking system and curbing sales of Iranian crude oil as a way to persuade Tehran to abandon its nuclear program.
As a result, Iran’s currency, the rial, is in a constant state of flux, but mostly on a downward trajectory. These days, it seems to fall in value against the dollar on an hourly basis. On Tuesday the currency hit an all-time low against the U.S. dollar, trading at 26,500 to the U.S. dollar on the open market, according to Persian-language currency tracking website Mazanex.
“Our money is becoming more and more worthless every day,” said Sarvenas Sadi, an elderly woman doing her daily shopping in Tehran earlier this week.
She picked up a handful of limes and exclaimed, “These were 100 percent cheaper last year!”
Asked whether she ever though she would see the currency devalue so much, she replied, “Never! I remember before the [1979] revolution $1 was worth 70 rial, now it’s worth 26,000! Who would have ever have thought!”
Did she think things would ever balance out and the price of goods would come down to what they were before. “Unfortunately I don’t think so. The thing with Iran is that once the price of something goes up, it never comes down again.”
So what’s the solution? “Eat less limes,” she jokingly replied.
Manufacturing hit hard
The financial situation is affecting people from all classes. Thousands of workers have been laid off and have not been paid back wages because companies have simply run out of money. Majid, a 32-year-old mechanic who used to work for a large car company was recently laid off and is owed six months’ salary.
“They are laying off people left, right and center. I doubt there will be a company left by the New Year,” he said, giving just his first name because of the sensitivity of the issue in Iran. Persian New Year will be on March 21, 2013.
The car industry, one of the biggest manufacturing sectors in Iran and a massive employer, has been affected dramatically; Iranian media have reported a 30 to 50 percent drop in car and component production in the past six months. Iran was the 13th-largest auto maker in the world in 2011, producing 1.6 million vehicles.
The Iran Khodro Company, the country’s leading vehicle manufacturer, had become the largest vehicle manufacturer in the Middle East, Central Asia and North Africa. The company won the annual national prize for export activities in 2006 and 2007 with Russia, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Egypt, Algeria and Bulgaria among their key consumers.
But higher prices, due to the soaring costs of components as a result of the sanctions, have caused a drop in demand.
For instance, France's Peugeot Citroen halted shipments of vehicle kits for assembly in Iran earlier this year, saying international sanctions barring transactions with the country's banking system made it difficult to obtain sales financing.
Majid, the mechanic, said he is looking for work elsewhere but it is proving very difficult. “There are not many jobs going and it is getting me more and more depressed.”
Oil sales to travel - down
The oil sector has been hit hard too. The Iranian Labor News Agency reported that a letter on behalf of 20,000 oil workers from across the country was sent to Labor Minister Abdolreza Sheikholeslami complaining that they had not been paid in months. The letter demanded an increase to the worker’s salaries of $120 to $285 a month, adding that at the current rate they were "way below the poverty line.”
Mohammad Reza Bahonar, a prominent Iranian member of parliament, said oil exports in June-July had dropped to "around 800,000 barrels per day," according to a report by ISNA news agency. That’s a low not seen in more than two decades, and less than half the 2.3 million barrels per day exported just a year ago.
But Minister of Petroleum Rostam Qasemi was quoted by ISNA saying that overall oil production this year "will be the same as last year."
The strangling of the economy isn’t just affecting blue-collar workers.
Middle-class Iranians had become accustomed to foreign travel – to Dubai, a playground for Iranians only an hour and half away, Turkey, one of only a few countries that does not require visa’s for Iranians, and Thailand. But the cost of travel to any of these destinations is prohibitive to many.
Maryam, a travel agent in Tehran who also only gave her first name, estimated that the number of travelers has been halved in a year. “The price of tickets and organized tours increased almost a hundred fold. They say that this will boost domestic holidays, but I think that is even too expensive for most people.”
This was evident to me last month flying back to Tehran from London via Dubai. Usually the flight from Dubai to Tehran is jammed, but not this time. Business and first class were full with the super-rich of Iran, but 70 percent of the plane which makes up the economy class was almost empty.
Expected to get worse
Mehdi is a young entrepreneur who imports computers and accessories who also spoke on the condition of anonymity. He said people are just not buying in Iran right now. His biggest wish was that the value of the rial would just stay fixed against dollar – even if it was at an unfavorable rate – just so consumers would know how much things would cost in a weeks’ time, a day or even in the next few hours.
While the sanctions have certainly taken a major bite out of the economy and are hurting people from all walks of life – it does not seem to be making the government authorities buckle. If anything it seems to have stiffened the government’s resolve and things are set to become even more difficult in the not too distant future.
Britain, France and Germany are urging their European Union partners "to further step up the pressure" on Iran. Further sanctions targeting the Islamic Republic's energy, finance, trade and transportation sectors are expected to be formally adopted on Oct. 15."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:She picked up a handful of limes and exclaimed, “These were 100 percent cheaper last year!”
100% Cheaper!!!! So, they used to be free!!! - is that the Iranian this brilliant "journalist" (using that word very loosely here) is referring to in his healine?
Couldn't you basically have written this article about 3/4ths of the countries in the EU? There's sections of it that you could write about the US (And certainly the headline).Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
EdsonNascimento wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:She picked up a handful of limes and exclaimed, “These were 100 percent cheaper last year!”
100% Cheaper!!!! So, they used to be free!!! - is that the Iranian this brilliant "journalist" (using that word very loosely here) is referring to in his healine?
Couldn't you basically have written this article about 3/4ths of the countries in the EU? There's sections of it that you could write about the US (And certainly the headline).
you should not deviate from the topic. this is evidence that the sanctions are taking a toll. their entire economy is unsettled.
do you not see that if you piss off the people enough they are going to act, and that act might be to 1. overthrow their leader, or 2 attack a neighbor?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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