SEAL Book Raises Questions About Bin Laden's Death

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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon ... EA9i5Z_Lz8
    Pentagon: Ex-SEAL faces legal action for book

    The Pentagon warned a former Navy SEAL that he faces legal action and loss of the profit for writing a book about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, according to a letter released Thursday night.

    The letter, addressed to Mark Owen, the pseudonym for Matt Bissonnette, alleges that he broke two non-disclosure agreements. He signed the agreements after leaving the Navy in April 2012 and in 2007, and they prevent him from releasing classified information.

    It was sent to Bissonnette by Jeh Johnson, the Pentagon's top lawyer.

    "I write to formally advise you of your material breach and violation of your agreements, and to inform you that the (Pentagon) is considering pursuing against you, and all those acting in concert with you, all remedies legally available to us in light of this situation," Johnson wrote in the letter, which was sent in care of the publisher, Penguin Putnam.

    The book, No Easy Day, gives a first-hand account of the May 2011 raid that killed bin Laden, the terror mastermind. Bissonnette did not submit the book to the Pentagon for pre-publication review as required by the military, according to the Pentagon.

    Dutton, the publisher, has maintained that the book does not disclose secret information. It goes on sale Tuesday.

    It's unclear how far the military is willing to go in punishing a member of the team that killed bin Laden after a decade on the run. Two officials have told USA TODAY that prosecution is unlikely.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    riotgrl wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:



    He also made mention of the fact that it was not illegal for Owen to write the book as the Navy does not make their guys sign non-disclosure statements unlike other special ops groups.

    Really? I wonder why that is


    Not sure - it might have been more because Bergen felt the book did not disclose anything that would be harmful to national security and would not be subject to any agreements. My statement of non-disclosure is probably incorrect - I can't recall what terminology he used exactly but I do remember that the Navy has different agreements than other special forces units in other branches.

    Even Team 6? I thought it may be a little different for them since they tend to do the most secret tasks. Interesting... thank you.
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:


    Really? I wonder why that is


    Not sure - it might have been more because Bergen felt the book did not disclose anything that would be harmful to national security and would not be subject to any agreements. My statement of non-disclosure is probably incorrect - I can't recall what terminology he used exactly but I do remember that the Navy has different agreements than other special forces units in other branches.

    Even Team 6? I thought it may be a little different for them since they tend to do the most secret tasks. Interesting... thank you.


    Thats' what I would have thought as well. Bergen seemed to think there would be more fallout from fellow SEAL's because he broke their own code of silence. I saw the article Who Princess posted that says the Pentagon is possibly pursuing legal action, although, I think its unlikely because it would make the Pentagon look bad, prosecuting a hero. Anyhow, it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    Who Princess wrote:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon-seal-faces-legal-action-book/story?id=17122062#.UEA9i5Z_Lz8
    Pentagon: Ex-SEAL faces legal action for book

    The Pentagon warned a former Navy SEAL that he faces legal action and loss of the profit for writing a book about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, according to a letter released Thursday night.

    The letter, addressed to Mark Owen, the pseudonym for Matt Bissonnette, alleges that he broke two non-disclosure agreements. He signed the agreements after leaving the Navy in April 2012 and in 2007, and they prevent him from releasing classified information.

    It was sent to Bissonnette by Jeh Johnson, the Pentagon's top lawyer.

    "I write to formally advise you of your material breach and violation of your agreements, and to inform you that the (Pentagon) is considering pursuing against you, and all those acting in concert with you, all remedies legally available to us in light of this situation," Johnson wrote in the letter, which was sent in care of the publisher, Penguin Putnam.

    The book, No Easy Day, gives a first-hand account of the May 2011 raid that killed bin Laden, the terror mastermind. Bissonnette did not submit the book to the Pentagon for pre-publication review as required by the military, according to the Pentagon.

    Dutton, the publisher, has maintained that the book does not disclose secret information. It goes on sale Tuesday.

    It's unclear how far the military is willing to go in punishing a member of the team that killed bin Laden after a decade on the run. Two officials have told USA TODAY that prosecution is unlikely.
    how does the publisher know if there were no secrets? Kinda implies that he knows something?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    The Pentagon is taking legal action. All Navy SEALS sign confidentiality agreements when they leave the service.

    http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-tells-ex-seal-could-face-legal-action-013735101--abc-news-topstories.html?_esi=1
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Somehow I don't find that just because this guy was there, he is any more or less believable than the official account. It's possible he's trying to set the record straight but it looks a lot more like he's doing it for the $$$. A firsthand account sounds exciting but I'm sure that embellishing the details would sell a few more copies.

    I'd expect that there are LOTS of details not disclosed to the general public last year but somehow I don't think we're going to get them from this book.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Honesty is the best policy.

    Except when it comes to Republicans, right? I missed the thread you started this morning on the factual errors in Paul Ryan's speech last night. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?


    I didn't hear any factual errors.
    ...
    And... there is your answer.
    If you only listen to the voices you agree with... you'll only hear the lies you already believe in.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    And... there is your answer.
    If you only listen to the voices you agree with... you'll only hear the lies you already believe in.


    I guess if you only listen to the voices you disagree with the same applies then? :lol:
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    So where's the bluster and shouts of TREASON!!!, I mean when the whole Wikileaks thing broke some of you were foaming at the mouth over a service man or two supplying info.

    Isn't this kind of the same thing, actually it may even be worse, given this SEAL is going to profit from book sales. Is it that he gets a pass because he's not a Lady GaGa fan??
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    DS1119 wrote:
    I guess if you only listen to the voices you disagree with the same applies then? :lol:
    ...
    I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean. I am not very fluent in illogic.
    ...
    Anyway... with your being such an avid seeker or truth, you must have been absolutely livid about that whole Pat Tillman thing, weren't you? I mean, that thing was so far off from the actual truth... you must have blown a gasket.
    Am I right?
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    Moonpig wrote:
    So where's the bluster and shouts of TREASON!!!, I mean when the whole Wikileaks thing broke some of you were foaming at the mouth over a service man or two supplying info.

    Isn't this kind of the same thing, actually it may even be worse, given this SEAL is going to profit from book sales. Is it that he gets a pass because he's not a Lady GaGa fan??
    not having read the book, but it was reported that details in his book that outed BY NAME members of seal team 6 and the fact there was a female CIA operative present as well/

    In my view that puts them all at risk, morte than their normal risks inherent with their respective jobs. As such, dude is a scumbag that doesnt deserve the title Navy Seal.
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  • dustinpardue
    dustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
    What if none of it actually happened?
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    dustinpardue wrote:
    What if none of it actually happened?
    unlikely since I think OBL would have posted a video by now debunking th ewhole thing, but I'll bite.

    Tell me, What If?
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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    riotgrl wrote:
    NPR ran a good story about this today. They interviewed Peter Bergen about the incident and he basically said that the differences in reports were not that huge. Certainly, eyewitness reports can differ which may account for some of the discrepancies.

    He also made mention of the fact that it was not illegal for Owen to write the book as the Navy does not make their guys sign non-disclosure statements unlike other special ops groups. Good listen if you have time to check it out.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/08/30/160322677/manhunt-author-reviews-navy-seals-no-easy-day


    Bergen and Dutton should understand what it means to be on a ‘classified’ or ‘intel-gathering mission. These types of missions carry an automatic ‘gag order’. Bissonnette knew he could not disclose anything, to anyone about the mission except through proper channels, even after he left the military. It is not Bergen, Dutton, nor Bissonnette’s decision to decide what they think is classified vs. non-classified. Look at the flack Romney got for referencing MI-6.

    Dutton could also face charges for releasing classified information just like Assange.
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  • dustinpardue
    dustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
    mickeyrat wrote:
    dustinpardue wrote:
    What if none of it actually happened?
    unlikely since I think OBL would have posted a video by now debunking th ewhole thing, but I'll bite.

    Tell me, What If?

    Weren't there witnesses saying that OBL died in Dec 2001? I'm no expert I just remember reading that somewhere.
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    dustinpardue wrote:
    Weren't there witnesses saying that OBL died in Dec 2001? I'm no expert I just remember reading that somewhere.
    No witnesses. It was speculation that he died in the bombing raids that fall.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Just how I said he would be treated

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/ea ... -vets.html
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cosmo wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    I guess if you only listen to the voices you disagree with the same applies then? :lol:


    Well you said I was only listening to voices I agree with. Seems logical that someone may be only listening to the voices they disagree with. Logical actually...following your logic. :? :lol::lol::lol:
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    WHat's lost in all of this, is the majority of the proceeds of this book are being donated to charity. The author has something to say and feels strongly about it. Good for him. Expose the lies that were fed to us.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    DS1119 wrote:
    WHat's lost in all of this, is the majority of the proceeds of this book are being donated to charity. The author has something to say and feels strongly about it. Good for him. Expose the lies that were fed to us.

    Really trying to avoid the Pat Tillman question, aren't you? I asked you a few pages back...no answer. Cosmo asked you up on this page and you only quoted part of his comment and.....wait for it......wait for it.......wait for it......no answer.

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