Equal Pay Debate

davidtrios wrote:

In this country, U.S. women make 77 cents to the dollar for the same job men do. ill.html

I'm helping balance that equation and not afraid to admit it.

Godfather. wrote:

those women must be non union

Godfather.

Ah, shit man, they own the joint.

women who have kids tend to take more days off but I know single dad's that take a whole bunch of days off also and earn more then their female counterparts. So it really isn't equal anyway you look at it.

Godfather. wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

well I am union and I have so many vacation days stored up that they forced me to take a bunch this summer. Oh...and I'm female. They also just hired a guy who has less education, fewer credentials and less experience to the same position as me and 2 other females, and they hired him at a higher pay grade. So I guess I am going to start passing off those difficult cases and using up a bunch of my days. :thumbup:

that sucks ! I'm sorry to hear that.
the union I am in now and the one before had no gray areas in the pay scale it does not matter man or woman the pay scale is the same for both,sense I have been at my current job I have seen several women get into mechinac positions but they always go for a managment position in other areas after a few years then tell me what a bad idea that was but a few are now upper managment now infact one is our vice president and let me tell you this gal knows her stuff about aerospace.

Godfather.

Thanks. We're fighting it. Our pay grades are supposed to work the same way, so it should be pretty cut and dry. They tend to move people to other departments when they're not happy with them, so I'm preparing to be moved to the plant department any day

inlet13 wrote:

Watch this, it will probably answer a lot of the questions here:

http://www.learnliberty.org/content/do-women-earn-less-men

this video is right to a point but it doesn't take into account the women who

a) never had, have or want kids. hence they won't take as much time off as mothers or expected mothers

b) in a company that has men and women working in it.. it's a fact that you will find that women get paid less then their male co workers.. even women without kids... sometimes the women work harder, as hard and have the same job title.

concluding.. as I said above.. single fathers or fathers who get time off almost as much as mothers or more get paid more then women (even if these women haven't got kids).

inlet13 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Watch this, it will probably answer a lot of the questions here:

http://www.learnliberty.org/content/do-women-earn-less-men

this video is right to a point but it doesn't take into account the women who

a) never had, have or want kids. hence they won't take as much time off as mothers or expected mothers

b) in a company that has men and women working in it.. it's a fact that you will find that women get paid less then their male co workers.. even women without kids... sometimes the women work harder, as hard and have the same job title.

concluding.. as I said above.. single fathers or fathers who get time off almost as much as mothers or more get paid more then women (even if these women haven't got kids).

Do you have data that show this?

no I don't...

I was taught it in school for the last 10 years and have seen countless cases of women holding the same job as a male co worker and getting underpaid.

Zoso wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Watch this, it will probably answer a lot of the questions here:

http://www.learnliberty.org/content/do-women-earn-less-men

this video is right to a point but it doesn't take into account the women who

a) never had, have or want kids. hence they won't take as much time off as mothers or expected mothers

b) in a company that has men and women working in it.. it's a fact that you will find that women get paid less then their male co workers.. even women without kids... sometimes the women work harder, as hard and have the same job title.

concluding.. as I said above.. single fathers or fathers who get time off almost as much as mothers or more get paid more then women (even if these women haven't got kids).

I can't view the link right now, but look forward to watching it later.

This is anecdotal, but this is true for me and 2 of my female co-workers. Two of us had more than twice the caseload size of our former male counterpart, and were openly assigned the most difficult cases because of our experience and knowledge in the field. In addition to our clinical work, we are both in charge of large scale outreach/education programs and supervise interns and student workers, something that our male counterpart didn't do. She and I do not have children and rarely took days off. I do not reschedule clients unless absolutely necessary; I came in and did therapy when I didn't have a voice last winter (that was interesting) Our male counterpart did have children and would understandably take off days as need for their care. Our other female co-worker also saw about 50% more clients than he did. She also does not run a large scale program (her responsibilities are about the same as his were). She also has children and takes off as needed. The 3 female workers (including me) all earn the same pay range. The former male co-worker and the one just hired are in higher pay grades, despite less experience, less education and fewer credentials. Those in charge of hiring openly discussed that they didn't think the 2 male colleagues would accept the position for our pay grade. So this is just one example, but it absolutely does happen that females are paid less for the same position and same work (or more work!) than their male counterparts.

comebackgirl wrote:

but it absolutely does happen that females are paid less for the same position and same work (or more work!) than their male counterparts.

couldn't you replace females with people and eliminate male from the sentence above like so

it absolutely does happen that people are paid less for the same position and same work (or more work!) than their counterparts.

It happens to everyone. Does anyone have a study comparing wage discrepancy for same job samples like they do when breaking it down between men and women?

that isn't to say the equal pay debate shouldn't be had, because it is quite obvious it should. I often wonder if personality traits are more of a reason...Ego, bravado and for lack of a better term, machismo... I wonder if men and women who share the same personality types are paid less for the same jobs...

how do you solve it?

mikepegg44 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

but it absolutely does happen that females are paid less for the same position and same work (or more work!) than their male counterparts.

couldn't you replace females with people and eliminate male from the sentence above like so

it absolutely does happen that people are paid less for the same position and same work (or more work!) than their counterparts.

It happens to everyone. Does anyone have a study comparing wage discrepancy for same job samples like they do when breaking it down between men and women?

that isn't to say the equal pay debate shouldn't be had, because it is quite obvious it should. I often wonder if personality traits are more of a reason...Ego, bravado and for lack of a better term, machismo... I wonder if men and women who share the same personality types are paid less for the same jobs...

how do you solve it?

And to muddy the water even more, physical traits can also come into play when for being hired/promoted/given raises.

Like you said, equal pay should be talked about, but across the board stats and anecdotal stories leave so much out of the equation.

blackredyellow wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

but it absolutely does happen that females are paid less for the same position and same work (or more work!) than their male counterparts.

couldn't you replace females with people and eliminate male from the sentence above like so

it absolutely does happen that people are paid less for the same position and same work (or more work!) than their counterparts.

It happens to everyone. Does anyone have a study comparing wage discrepancy for same job samples like they do when breaking it down between men and women?

that isn't to say the equal pay debate shouldn't be had, because it is quite obvious it should. I often wonder if personality traits are more of a reason...Ego, bravado and for lack of a better term, machismo... I wonder if men and women who share the same personality types are paid less for the same jobs...

how do you solve it?

And to muddy the water even more, physical traits can also come into play when for being hired/promoted/given raises.

Like you said, equal pay should be talked about, but across the board stats and anecdotal stories leave so much out of the equation.

I could, but I'm discussing my particular situation. I'm sure it does happen in other situations, but I don't know of any first hand, so I can't speak to those. I would love to see more research on it.