Rep. Todd Akin: No pregnancy from 'legitimate rape'

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  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    [quote="pandora"

    Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
    So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

    gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.

    the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..[/quote]
    interesting I guess trying to save some babies there,

    thats not going to happen...[/quote]

    saving babies please explain?
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  • Vedda11
    Vedda11 Posts: 35
    Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
    Nothing said what a waste :)
  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    Vedda11 wrote:
    Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.

    much respect for being so open.. you really have a real life reason and view on why this is bullshit. It was really ignorant on his part and so dumb.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Vedda11 wrote:
    Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
    Thank you for sharing your experience and your views on this issue. That takes a lot of courage. I hope you and your mother have had a lot of healing. It sounds like you are both true survivors. I value your perspective on this. Thank you.
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  • redrock
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    pandora wrote:
    Did you read the link about where this theory originates and what exactly it is?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h ... al-concept.

    Please... in medieval times 'surgeons' also dispensed 'cures' (or avoided dispensing certain 'cures') following your star sign. Disease was caused by sin, demons bad smells and even the jewish people. They weren't called the dark ages for nothing... On the other hand, muslims were way ahead... but I don't think Akin would refer to them....
    My daughter studied all of this in her history classes when she was 14... Surely, a supposedly educated congressman would know more than 14 year olds.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

    Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
    So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

    gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
    Based on his argument about pregnancy being unlikely because of the female body "shutting things down" I think he meant if physical force isn't used it's not a legitimate rape.

    what do you think he meant?
    I think he meant assault type of rape, not consensual statutory rape,
    and maybe not this kind of rape given this comment ...

    Akin's earlier comment that he would like to ban the morning-after pill because he believes it is “a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” and his concerns that a 1991 anti-marital rape law in Missouri might be used “in a real messy divorce as a tool and a legal weapon to beat up on the husband.”
    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... z246UJ2QJV

    again looking into the man not agreeing with his words :lol:

    so far I haven't heard him define legitimate yet...
    I'm not holding my breath.

    Its a good thing we have freedom of speech so our elected officials can put their foot
    in their mouths
    otherwise we might never know or understand exactly who they are.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Did you read the link about where this theory originates and what exactly it is?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h ... al-concept.

    Please... in medieval times 'surgeons' also dispensed 'cures' (or avoided dispensing certain 'cures') following your star sign. Disease was caused by sin, demons bad smells and even the jewish people. They weren't called the dark ages for nothing... On the other hand, muslims were way ahead... but I don't think Akin would refer to them....
    My daughter studied all of this in her history classes when she was 14... Surely, a supposedly educated congressman would know more than 14 year olds.
    Is that what you think?
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    [quote="ComeToTX"
    Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.
    I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
    than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
    of a group of people.

    why can't you just say what he said was wrong? if you say something bad about the tea baggers or the republicans donald trump isn't going to come to your door and fire you.

    :lol::lol: but we're on the precipice of that actually happening
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

    gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
    Based on his argument about pregnancy being unlikely because of the female body "shutting things down" I think he meant if physical force isn't used it's not a legitimate rape.

    what do you think he meant?
    I think he meant assault type of rape, not consensual statutory rape,
    and maybe not this kind of rape given this comment ...

    Akin's earlier comment that he would like to ban the morning-after pill because he believes it is “a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” and his concerns that a 1991 anti-marital rape law in Missouri might be used “in a real messy divorce as a tool and a legal weapon to beat up on the husband.”
    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... z246UJ2QJV

    again looking into the man not agreeing with his words :lol:

    so far I haven't heard him define legitimate yet...
    I'm not holding my breath.

    Its a good thing we have freedom of speech so our elected officials can put their foot
    in their mouths
    otherwise we might never know or understand exactly who they are.
    There is no consensual rape, just like there are no consensual muggings, robberies, physical assaults, etc. As I said before, rape is about a lack of consent, which may or may not include physical violence.

    I think we both interpreted his words the same. That's why I am so offended by what he said. I agree with you that it helps to know exactly who our elected officials are. He's painting a very clear picture of himself.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Did you read the link about where this theory originates and what exactly it is?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h ... al-concept.

    Please... in medieval times 'surgeons' also dispensed 'cures' (or avoided dispensing certain 'cures') following your star sign. Disease was caused by sin, demons bad smells and even the jewish people. They weren't called the dark ages for nothing... On the other hand, muslims were way ahead... but I don't think Akin would refer to them....
    My daughter studied all of this in her history classes when she was 14... Surely, a supposedly educated congressman would know more than 14 year olds.
    Is that what you think?

    Think? Obviously he seems to be totally ignorant and uneducated on the subject. A sad state of affairs if there are people that can vote in such a person for a role where he/she would be expected to contribute to policy.

    And referring to an article regarding medieval medicine as a 'source' for his 'fact's is not much better.
  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    excuse me while I go and consensually go and get run over a semi trailer.. I'm done. I can't even believe that this is a discussion about right and wrong.. we are all adults and we know what he said was wrong so lets not think of it as any less or more then it is.. he was wrong and he even said he misspoke

    :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp:
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Zoso wrote:

    :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp:

    Don't hold back... Just tell it as you feel it! :mrgreen:
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Vedda11 wrote:
    Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
    I am very glad your mother chose to have you!
    This true for my eldest sister who chose to have her baby girl 44 years ago.
    When you understand this choice, can know and love the person ...
    it brings such joy. I commend your mothers strength and wisdom, as I do my big sisters.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    you can’t be this ignorant and be able to put on shoes
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    Think? Obviously he seems to be totally ignorant and uneducated on the subject. A sad state of affairs if there are people that can vote in such a person for a role where he/she would be expected to contribute to policy.

    And referring to an article regarding medieval medicine as a 'source' for his 'fact's is not much better.
    Well there was a point to that of course perhaps over some heads ...
  • Vedda11
    Vedda11 Posts: 35
    Zoso wrote:
    Vedda11 wrote:
    Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.

    much respect for being so open.. you really have a real life reason and view on why this is bullshit. It was really ignorant on his part and so dumb.


    Thank you, this is peoples lives we are talking about, not always a hypothetical situation. He may be able to say what he wants, but he will definately have to face the consequences
    Nothing said what a waste :)
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    Well there was a point to that of course perhaps over some heads ...

    ooOOoo... catty again! Of course 'some' don't and won't ever understand, will they? ;) (see... it's OK... I've put a winky guy...)

    Guess arguments have run out...
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    norm wrote:
    you can’t be this ignorant and be able to put on shoes
    :lol: They didn't show his feet in the interview. I'm guessing he was shoeless
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  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Well there was a point to that of course perhaps over some heads ...

    ooOOoo... catty again! Of course 'some' don't and won't ever understand, will they? ;) (see... it's OK... I've put a winky guy...)

    Guess arguments have run out...

    no argument needed just a general verbal berating of this person's stupid ill informed comment ;)
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    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    There is no consensual rape, just like there are no consensual muggings, robberies, physical assaults, etc. As I said before, rape is about a lack of consent, which may or may not include physical violence.

    I think we both interpreted his words the same. That's why I am so offended by what he said. I agree with you that it helps to know exactly who our elected officials are. He's painting a very clear picture of himself.
    I disagree... Statutory rape can be consensual though not in the eyes of the law.
    The law case here overturned conviction after a young man was imprisoned
    on just this and often the cases don't go to court because of the same reason.
    It was consenting so no case they knew a jury would not convict.

    I know in my teens I was consenting like many girls, that is not rape.

    And yes he is thanks to freedom of speech.

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