Rep. Todd Akin: No pregnancy from 'legitimate rape'

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

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polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.

unless people keep defending his right to say whatever he pleases.. baseless facts.

pandora · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

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[quote="ComeToTX"
Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.

I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
of a group of people.

why can't you just say what he said was wrong? if you say something bad about the tea baggers or the republicans donald trump isn't going to come to your door and fire you.

I like Mr trump would love to meet him

Though I do not agree with this man's words as I know where babies come from

I understand he was speaking his opinion belief. I don't think that is wrong.
I think many here took his word legitimate rape wrong and found it insulting
though it was not intended to be....in my opinion.

ComeToTX · August 2012

pandora wrote:

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polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.

freedom of speech let's you say basically whatever you want and not got to jail for it. it doesn't mean there won't be repercussions for things you say.

comebackgirl · August 2012

redrock wrote:

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Rape is about a lack of consent. There are a lot of factors that may impact someone's ability to consent, including the use of force, the use of substances or other factors that may render someone mentally incapacitated, one's age or someone having authority over someone of a certain age. They're all "legitimate rape." In fact someone who is assaulted by someone they know may suffer more chronic PTSD.

+1

Aren't the majority of rapes in the Western world by someone known to the victim? Rape is rape... 'legitimate' :roll:

About consent (or lack thereof), power, authority.

Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.

comebackgirl · August 2012

polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

well said. If you're going to talk about issues as fact and work to pass legislation on them, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.

Zoso · August 2012

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... lp00000009

pandora · August 2012

ComeToTX wrote:

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pandora wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.

freedom of speech let's you say basically whatever you want and not got to jail for it. it doesn't mean there won't be repercussions for things you say.

yes conseqences as I said...

pandora · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

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polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

well said. If you're going to talk about issues as fact and work to pass legislation on them, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.

We see this in both party's it is laughable, twisting statistics, changing facts supporting an agenda,
absolute straight away untruths... it's the name of the game

I think that is politics

redrock · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.

Well... at least your body would 'shut down' and there wouldn't be risk of pregnancy - one less thing to worry about then.... :roll: Anyone trying to find excuses for this guy is just as ignorant. He should go hide in a little corner and hope the world (well.. US) forgets about him. And whilst he's in his little corner, he should brush up on his biology.

pandora · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.

So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.

cincybearcat · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/joe-scarborough-todd-akin-rape-morning-joe_n_1810077.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

This part... Contributor Mark Halperin said that Akin's comment was a birthday gift for Obama's spokesman Ben LaBolt and one that "will have reverberations beyond that single race."

Is why we are idiots. We will let people manipulate us and try to push off 1 persons words onto others. We will buy into that bullshit.

It should effect only 1 race...the one he is in. Maybe he can get a job working at a hospital when he loses?

Zoso · August 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

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Zoso wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/joe-scarborough-todd-akin-rape-morning-joe_n_1810077.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

This part... Contributor Mark Halperin said that Akin's comment was a birthday gift for Obama's spokesman Ben LaBolt and one that "will have reverberations beyond that single race."

Is why we are idiots. We will let people manipulate us and try to push off 1 persons words onto others. We will buy into that bullshit.

It should effect only 1 race...the one he is in. Maybe he can get a job working at a hospital when he loses?

Paul Ryan, Rominee etc 'beliefs' aren't too much removed from Akin's remember.. They are all as extreme as it gets with rape and abortion opinions.

gimmesometruth27 · August 2012

pandora wrote:

He is giving his opinion not passing anything off...

I understand where his statement comes from though I do not agree with it.

I believe he has a right to speak and will take the consequences for that.

this is what he said

U.S. Rep. Akin, who is challenging incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., made the comment during an interview on KTVI, the St. Louis Fox affiliate. In one part of the interview, Charles Jaco asked about Akin's stance against abortion rights even in cases of rape.

"First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy) is really rare" in rape cases, Akin said, according to a video of the interview posted Sunday on YouTube. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

He added: "But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."

the large part is a declarative statement. that statement says nothing of his beliefs. he is trying to pass it off as fact.

Cliffy6745 · August 2012

Why does every fucking thread turn into these unreal ramblings about rights and what not?

FUCK.

Who gives a fuck if he was expressing his opinion. He is a moron. Morons shouldn't express their opinions.

comebackgirl · August 2012

pandora wrote:

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Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.

So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.

Based on his argument about pregnancy being unlikely because of the female body "shutting things down" I think he meant if physical force isn't used it's not a legitimate rape.

what do you think he meant?

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

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Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.

So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.

the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..

pandora · August 2012

redrock wrote:

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comebackgirl wrote:

Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.

Well... at least your body would 'shut down' and there wouldn't be risk of pregnancy - one less thing to worry about then.... :roll: Anyone trying to find excuses for this guy is just as ignorant. He should go hide in a little corner and hope the world (well.. US) forgets about him. And whilst he's in his little corner, he should brush up on his biology.

Did you read the link about where this theory originates and what exactly it is?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h ... al-concept

The type of rape you are speaking of would most likely not fit, as there would be trauma.

excuses is that what you call understanding and interpreting another's opinion :fp:
alrighty then...

pandora · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

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pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.

So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.

the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..

interesting I guess trying to save some babies there,

thats not going to happen...

gimmesometruth27 · August 2012

pandora wrote:

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comebackgirl wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

well said. If you're going to talk about issues as fact and work to pass legislation on them, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.

We see this in both party's it is laughable, twisting statistics, changing facts supporting an agenda,
absolute straight away untruths... it's the name of the game

I think that is politics

in this particular case this is someone of your party.

BinauralJam · August 2012

I think i understand, every time you have sex and don't get a women pregnant, you've raped her :shock: i'm a serial rapist.i am evil :evil:

Rep. Todd Akin: No pregnancy from 'legitimate rape'

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