Rep. Todd Akin: No pregnancy from 'legitimate rape'

pandora · August 2012

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

Actually I saw it as no disrespect. He believes a woman can not conceive unless aroused,
consensual as can happen in statutory rape etc. This what he means by legitimate rape,
that the rape would be an assault causing a woman's body to not allow a pregnancy.
Please read the origin of the his beliefs in the link I posted.
I disagree with "shutting one's mouth" as you say because I believe in the basic right
to freedom of speech in our great country and also the consequences that goes with that.

there is no scientific basis for his beliefs. he is passing this off as proven science. please stop defending him for doing that.

He is giving his opinion not passing anything off...

I understand where his statement comes from though I do not agree with it.

I believe he has a right to speak and will take the consequences for that.

pandora · August 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Another thing that's shocking (yet not shocking) is that Pandora is supposedly a female and is defending this guy... What does that say about how idiots like this get into office?

I was thinking the same thing. I was also shocked that she was suggesting that those of us who are baffled as to how he felt it was ok to say those things have "blue bias blinders" and are just shocked because we're democrats.

Which I guess proved "democrat" means "not a moron" in this case.

What was surprising is that people did not consider his definition of legitimate rape
and jumped to a conclusion I did not at all.

Again not defending understanding not condoning or agreeing.

Yes I do believe it was ok to say those things ...it's his beliefs.

One would think you would understand that.

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

[quote="pandora"

I understand the mechanics of getting pregnant, the hows and the whys,
some do not.

This man believes that under the great stress of rape, when in the form of an assault,
the woman's body would not allow a pregnancy. The statistics to support this, either for or against,
are hard to prove as so many rapes go unreported.

yeah well I haven't got time for people who believe in things that have been proven wrong again and again and in the process seem to alienate a whole bunch of people. Our politicians have got a lot of power over us small people and shouldn't they make sure what they say in public is correct information? They have a lot of influence.. hence tea baggers believe Obama is Muslim (therefore he shouldn't be president). This was an irresponsible comment.

rape isn't about force it's about consent and consent only.

Yes are you contradicting yourself? :? I think that is exactly this mans thought
but not necessarily defined within the law.

I believe rape is also force not just consent.

Again these are beliefs, opinions, and a smart voter sees this and does not take it as fact.[/quote]

I don't see any contridictin.. please explain.. the red highlights aren't related at all. One if a definition of rape and the other is taking about a politicians responsibility with so much power...

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Another thing that's shocking (yet not shocking) is that Pandora is supposedly a female and is defending this guy... What does that say about how idiots like this get into office?

I was thinking the same thing. I was also shocked that she was suggesting that those of us who are baffled as to how he felt it was ok to say those things have "blue bias blinders" and are just shocked because we're democrats.

Which I guess proved "democrat" means "not a moron" in this case.

What was surprising is that people did not consider his definition of legitimate rape
and jumped to a conclusion I did not at all.

Again not defending understanding not condoning or agreeing.

Yes I do believe it was ok to say those things ...it's his beliefs.

One would think you would understand that.

so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?

pandora · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

freedom of speech in one thing.. but if it's bigoted or discriminatory I would say their right for free speech SHOULD be broken.

anyway.. he can believe what he likes but then their are the facts.. I can say I believe the sky is green when in actual fact it isn't. Clearly their have been countless pregnancies attributed to rape of every kind..

lastly, I have a problem with your use of consensual or statutory rape definition.. if they are of a certain age they can't give consent no matter if they don't say no, or if they say yes, or if they make the first move... it's all rape and shouldn't be split into different definitions.

oh boy are you one of those? :?

tell that to the young man of eighteen who just made love to his future bride who is 16...
yes in the eyes of the law true... in the heart of young woman's body ... not so much so.

Yes I'm one of those people..

well if you ARE ONE OF THOSE people who want to redefine the laws of adulhood and make it legal to have sex with anybody then jebus help us.

BTW in NJ a 18 year old can have sex with a 16 year old unless they are a teacher, family member or some authority figure.

I'm not sure what our laws are on statutory rape here in Georgia.
I think a young man of 18 though went to prison for 8 years or something ridiculous
and was finally let out. He had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
He was also a rising high school sport star. His life ruined.
What makes you think I would change the laws?

I was only attempting to interpret this mans words and opinion/beliefs.

Zoso · August 2012

Pandora it sounds more like you're defending him.. it's indefensible.

ComeToTX · August 2012

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

Actually I saw it as no disrespect. He believes a woman can not conceive unless aroused,
consensual as can happen in statutory rape etc. This what he means by legitimate rape,
that the rape would be an assault causing a woman's body to not allow a pregnancy.
Please read the origin of the his beliefs in the link I posted.
I disagree with "shutting one's mouth" as you say because I believe in the basic right
to freedom of speech in our great country and also the consequences that goes with that.

there is no scientific basis for his beliefs. he is passing this off as proven science. please stop defending him for doing that.

He is giving his opinion not passing anything off...

I understand where his statement comes from though I do not agree with it.

I believe he has a right to speak and will take the consequences for that.

Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.

pandora · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?

I don't if someone wants to be ignorant let them

There was a school teacher who did just this,
he spoke on his own time, on a social media site against a group of people.
We had a thread, I support freedom of speech.

comebackgirl · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

freedom of speech in one thing.. but if it's bigoted or discriminatory I would say their right for free speech SHOULD be broken.

anyway.. he can believe what he likes but then their are the facts.. I can say I believe the sky is green when in actual fact it isn't. Clearly their have been countless pregnancies attributed to rape of every kind..

lastly, I have a problem with your use of consensual or statutory rape definition.. if they are of a certain age they can't give consent no matter if they don't say no, or if they say yes, or if they make the first move... it's all rape and shouldn't be split into different definitions.

oh boy are you one of those? :?

tell that to the young man of eighteen who just made love to his future bride who is 16...
yes in the eyes of the law true... in the heart of young woman's body ... not so much so.

Yes I'm one of those people..

well if you ARE ONE OF THOSE people who want to redefine the laws of adulhood and make it legal to have sex with anybody then jebus help us.

BTW in NJ a 18 year old can have sex with a 16 year old unless they are a teacher, family member or some authority figure.

Rape is about a lack of consent. There are a lot of factors that may impact someone's ability to consent, including the use of force, the use of substances or other factors that may render someone mentally incapacitated, one's age or someone having authority over someone of a certain age. They're all "legitimate rape." In fact someone who is assaulted by someone they know may suffer more chronic PTSD.

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?

I don't if someone wants to be ignorant let them

There was a school teacher who did just this,
he spoke on his own time, on a social media site against a group of people.
We had a thread, I support freedom of speech.

I love freedom of speech I hate that it opens up to the ignorant and bigoted to say what they please.

ComeToTX · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?

I don't if someone wants to be ignorant let them

There was a school teacher who did just this,
he spoke on his own time, on a social media site against a group of people.
We had a thread, I support freedom of speech.

But you're not only defending his right to say it you also defended the belief itself, offering sources on why he feels this way.

pandora · August 2012

[quote="ComeToTX"
Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.

I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
of a group of people.

redrock · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

Rape is about a lack of consent. There are a lot of factors that may impact someone's ability to consent, including the use of force, the use of substances or other factors that may render someone mentally incapacitated, one's age or someone having authority over someone of a certain age. They're all "legitimate rape." In fact someone who is assaulted by someone they know may suffer more chronic PTSD.

+1

Aren't the majority of rapes in the Western world by someone known to the victim? Rape is rape... 'legitimate' :roll:

About consent (or lack thereof), power, authority.

polaris_x · August 2012

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

lukin2006 · August 2012

polaris_x wrote:

does this kind of news actually shock people!? ... c'mon ... the entire political landscape is dotted with morons ... everyone should be more pissed at themselves for allowing these idiots to control everything ...

well said...

pandora · August 2012

ComeToTX wrote:

But you're not only defending his right to say it you also defended the belief itself, offering sources on why he feels this way.

It is his source of his opinion ... I did not say I agreed with it.

I think you can understand this yes?

pandora · August 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

does this kind of news actually shock people!? ... c'mon ... the entire political landscape is dotted with morons ... everyone should be more pissed at themselves for allowing these idiots to control everything ...

well said...

definitely

redrock · August 2012

polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

Summarised it all.

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

[quote="ComeToTX"
Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.

I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
of a group of people.

why can't you just say what he said was wrong? if you say something bad about the tea baggers or the republicans donald trump isn't going to come to your door and fire you.

pandora · August 2012

polaris_x wrote:

free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...

I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.

Rep. Todd Akin: No pregnancy from 'legitimate rape'

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