The Mars Lander

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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    know1 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    We also need to understand why the US spends $12K per student and Canada spends $5K per student and they rank ahead of the US in education.

    I'd say the answer is pretty obvious - our government oversees education and that drives up the cost and reduces the effectiveness and efficiency by a large margin.
    Our government oversees the education in Canada as well...
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Man, I hate to be debbie downer and I get the benefit of science and space exploration but in a time like this with the unemployment rate over 8% and more importantly our educational system in the fucking dumps, does it make sense to spend $2.5 billion on this.

    Awesome stuff, I just wish our priorities were with fixing the inequality and issues with our school system.

    People like you annoy me.

    Oh... you have no problem using your iPhones with GPS technology and drinking your filtered water or using your cordless power drills... ignorant that all of that technology was made for the space program.

    You brag about your scratch resistant glasses, enjoy a movie streamed on the internet and occasionally have a freeze-dried bowl of Rammen noodles for a snack... ignorant that THAT was all developed for the space program.

    You use your LED flashlights, ear thermometers on your baby, fly in planes in the winter treated with anti-icing agents, drive on Radial tires, feed your baby enriched baby food, sleep on a memory foam bed and thrill as you watch athletes use their prothetic limbs... ignorant of how ALL of that and a lot more was designed for the space program.




    But it doesn't bug you nearly as much that we've spent almost 1400 TIMES as much (1.3 TRILLION) on two pointless wars in the middle east or that we give 40 Billion in "subsidies" to the oil industry that turns billions in profits every year.

    Or that American women spent more on Chap Stick last year.

    No wonder girls all gave up wanting to be astronauts and instead want to grow up to be Kim Kardashian. :fp:
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    I understand the reason why some people complain about this, but like POD said...nearly all of our technology is derived from the space program.

    What's always been fascinating to me is what it took to go to the moon back in 1969 (besides an epic set of stones). Our cell phones have more computing power than the entire Apollo flights combined. It's just amazing to me. I don't play around much on the computer, but one of the coolest things I find myself geeking out to every now and then is a simulator called Orbiter. You can recreate the entire Apollo program...every flight...and it's all based on the actual programming that was used for those flights. It's super hard core nerdville, and not easy at all...but if you're wanting to get at least a relatively accurate play-by-play along with some fairly decent graphics, it's worth the free download.

    http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/gallery_amso.html
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,075
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Man, I hate to be debbie downer and I get the benefit of science and space exploration but in a time like this with the unemployment rate over 8% and more importantly our educational system in the fucking dumps, does it make sense to spend $2.5 billion on this.

    Awesome stuff, I just wish our priorities were with fixing the inequality and issues with our school system.

    People like you annoy me.

    Oh... you have no problem using your iPhones with GPS technology and drinking your filtered water or using your cordless power drills... ignorant that all of that technology was made for the space program.

    You brag about your scratch resistant glasses, enjoy a movie streamed on the internet and occasionally have a freeze-dried bowl of Rammen noodles for a snack... ignorant that THAT was all developed for the space program.

    You use your LED flashlights, ear thermometers on your baby, fly in planes in the winter treated with anti-icing agents, drive on Radial tires, feed your baby enriched baby food, sleep on a memory foam bed and thrill as you watch athletes use their prothetic limbs... ignorant of how ALL of that and a lot more was designed for the space program.




    But it doesn't bug you nearly as much that we've spent almost 1400 TIMES as much (1.3 TRILLION) on two pointless wars in the middle east or that we give 40 Billion in "subsidies" to the oil industry that turns billions in profits every year.

    Or that American women spent more on Chap Stick last year.

    No wonder girls all gave up wanting to be astronauts and instead want to grow up to be Kim Kardashian. :fp:

    Hell of a stereotype. There are about 4 things on this list that I do but stereotype away. I am not fine with the wars or oil subsidies a little bit and I'd love to have a space program we can brag about and utilize for the technology above. But more than that, I would love an educational system where everyone has the same opportunities to become an astronaut.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,254
    I'm just glad as hell the Lander landed safely and all appears to be well so far. I hope something significant is found even though it took quite a bit of funding to set this exploration in to motion. I wish it well...rock on cause apparently this lander has it's own twitter account and sends pictures back to that account. Amazing!

    http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la- ... 0806105336

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,437
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Man, I hate to be debbie downer and I get the benefit of science and space exploration but in a time like this with the unemployment rate over 8% and more importantly our educational system in the fucking dumps, does it make sense to spend $2.5 billion on this.

    Awesome stuff, I just wish our priorities were with fixing the inequality and issues with our school system.

    People like you annoy me.

    Oh... you have no problem using your iPhones with GPS technology and drinking your filtered water or using your cordless power drills... ignorant that all of that technology was made for the space program.

    You brag about your scratch resistant glasses, enjoy a movie streamed on the internet and occasionally have a freeze-dried bowl of Rammen noodles for a snack... ignorant that THAT was all developed for the space program.

    You use your LED flashlights, ear thermometers on your baby, fly in planes in the winter treated with anti-icing agents, drive on Radial tires, feed your baby enriched baby food, sleep on a memory foam bed and thrill as you watch athletes use their prothetic limbs... ignorant of how ALL of that and a lot more was designed for the space program.
    Although I agree with the benefits you pointed out that can be attributed to the space program, it could have been more tactfully presented.

    Like if Obama wants my vote and is presenting why his method is the best way, I don't want him to start off addressing my by saying, "Listen here D-bag, first off, you suck ...". Starting off with "My fellow Americans" is a much better approach.
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Hell of a stereotype. There are about 4 things on this list that I do but stereotype away. I am not fine with the wars or oil subsidies a little bit and I'd love to have a space program we can brag about and utilize for the technology above. But more than that, I would love an educational system where everyone has the same opportunities to become an astronaut.

    I'm not saying you do all those, but I'm sure you do many and MANY more that I didn't list. Countless devices in your home are built using technology developed for the space program.

    I would also like an educational system where everyone has the same opportunities to be an astronaut. Which... if there's no space program, would be a little pointless. ya know?

    However... I probably shouldn't have done my "bite like a rabid dog first, ask questions later" thing so... sorry for that.


    (it should also be pointed out that we lose over 70 Billion dollars per year thanks to the tax-exempt status of churches who often take that money and build castles and shrines for themselves and fun political candidates. So maybe there's a better place to direct some ire.)
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Jason P wrote:
    Like if Obama wants my vote and is presenting why his method is the best way, I don't want him to start off addressing my by saying, "Listen here D-bag, first off, you suck ...". Starting off with "My fellow Americans" is a much better approach.

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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Is 70 b. how much the church's get out of paying taxes? Holy shit. That's some messed up.
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  • FrankieG
    FrankieG Abingdon MD Posts: 9,100
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Man, I hate to be debbie downer and I get the benefit of science and space exploration but in a time like this with the unemployment rate over 8% and more importantly our educational system in the fucking dumps, does it make sense to spend $2.5 billion on this.

    Awesome stuff, I just wish our priorities were with fixing the inequality and issues with our school system.

    Space is the catalyst for education and growing the economy. The allure of space exploration drives the inquiring minds to be motivated enough to learn and grow up to be engineers and scientists. The mindset you get from seeing fantastic human achievement of landing on other planets lets the companies here further their technology because of the inspiration and thinking they got from the government landing on mars.

    Look up Neil deGrasse Tyson on youtube. He has some very logical and inspirational speeches and interviews that explain how this 2.5billion would grow everything you would want to put the money into initially.
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  • FrankieG
    FrankieG Abingdon MD Posts: 9,100
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Man, I hate to be debbie downer and I get the benefit of science and space exploration but in a time like this with the unemployment rate over 8% and more importantly our educational system in the fucking dumps, does it make sense to spend $2.5 billion on this.

    Awesome stuff, I just wish our priorities were with fixing the inequality and issues with our school system.

    People like you annoy me.

    Oh... you have no problem using your iPhones with GPS technology and drinking your filtered water or using your cordless power drills... ignorant that all of that technology was made for the space program.

    You brag about your scratch resistant glasses, enjoy a movie streamed on the internet and occasionally have a freeze-dried bowl of Rammen noodles for a snack... ignorant that THAT was all developed for the space program.

    You use your LED flashlights, ear thermometers on your baby, fly in planes in the winter treated with anti-icing agents, drive on Radial tires, feed your baby enriched baby food, sleep on a memory foam bed and thrill as you watch athletes use their prothetic limbs... ignorant of how ALL of that and a lot more was designed for the space program.




    But it doesn't bug you nearly as much that we've spent almost 1400 TIMES as much (1.3 TRILLION) on two pointless wars in the middle east or that we give 40 Billion in "subsidies" to the oil industry that turns billions in profits every year.

    Or that American women spent more on Chap Stick last year.

    No wonder girls all gave up wanting to be astronauts and instead want to grow up to be Kim Kardashian. :fp:

    :clap: :clap: :clap: Very well said!
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  • lukin2006
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