State of the Environment in Canada & the Harper Government
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I will apologize in advance for posting some info that has been posted in other threads - I just received this letter from an MP in British Columbia outlining the most recent report on the atrocious effects of the dirty political games played in Canada, and had to share. It would seem we can't discuss it enough. Our environment hangs by a thread. As does the future of Canadian democracy. I am terrified.
"There is no shortage of compelling issues to discuss in a Hill Times Environmental Policy briefing. Even listing, without describing, the catalogue of assaults on environmental law and policy by the prime minister in the last 12 months is enough to occupy the whole issue.
Canada undermined global climate negotiations in Durban in December, negotiated in bad faith, and immediately announced intent to withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol when the Environment Minister touched down on Canadian soil. Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver kicked off the New Year with an assault on environmentalists and First Nations as “radicals.” The Prime Minister attacked environmental groups for accepting foreign funding, even as he courted Communist Party controlled state operations from China as investors in the oil sands. One Parliamentary Secretary said anyone opposed to pipelines and tankers was “against Canada.” When asked to withdraw the remark as un-parliamentary, she refused.
The legislative juggernaut, C-38, repealed the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, replacing a coherent piece of legislation with a discretionary formula for confusion, conflict and court cases. The gutting of the Fisheries Act raised the ire of four former federal Ministers of Fisheries. Environment Minister Peter Kent insulted the four former ministers, suggesting they had not read the Act. Mulroney era Minister Tom Siddon showed up to testify before the sub-committee on Finance and in short order made it clear he may be the only Minister who has read the act. While Fisheries Minister Keith Ashfield tried to claim the new Fisheries Act will improve habitat protection, the assault to habitat is real, underscored by the subsequent lay-off notices to all DFO habitat officers in British Columbia. The National Round Table on the Environment and Economy is scrapped. The Species at Risk Act and Navigable Waters Protection Act amended to allow the National Energy Board to assume jurisdiction of endangered species or navigable waters are in the way of any pipeline.
Basic science and monitoring is being savaged with the end of funding to the Canadian Foundation of Climate and Atmospheric Science, elimination of the Adaptation research group within Environment Canada, the cuts to ozone monitoring, the closure of the Polar Arctic and Environmental Laboratory (PEARL) in Eureka, the sale of the 58 lakes in the globally unique Experimental Lakes Area near Kenora, Ontario, the elimination of the marine contaminants programme within DFO, the loss of scientists in Natural Resources Canada to study ice cores data (and the hope to find a university with a large fridge willing to take the 80,000 year ice core record Canada’s government no longer wants), the end of monitoring smoke stack emissions, cut backs in the Canada Oil and Gas research group in Halifax, and cuts at NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada) resulting in the closing of the Yukon Research Lab at Yukon College in Whitehorse.
The thin end of the wedge of privatization has hit National Parks – first Jasper and then the hot springs at Banff, while cuts to ecological staff in the parks compelled former Deputy Minister Jacques Gerin to call on Harper to stop gutting National Parks.
It is a blitzkrieg of bad news as cut-backs and programme cancellation hit the core areas of federal responsibility to protect nature. The multi-faceted assault has the effect of blinding media and the public to the largest threat. In 2012, Canada still has no plan to address the threat of climate change.
While Stephen Harper has succeeded in dramatically reducing the Canadian media coverage of climate science through the muzzling of government scientists, the atmosphere does not seem to have gotten the memo. Around the world, the force and frequency of severe weather events has woken up even the mainstream US media. Fires, floods, tornadoes, heat waves are wreaking havoc on agriculture and running up the bills to the insurance industry. The culprit for much of this year’s strange weather phenomenon is the rapidly warming Arctic. As the Arctic warms the differential in temperature between the Arctic and the Equator becomes less pronounced. That causes the jet stream to lose its straight and fast course. (Francis, Vavrus study, Rutgers/Univ of Wisconsin). Slowing down, it has allowed large low pressure systems and high pressure systems to sit for far longer periods than normal in one place -- causing flooding in the low pressure zones and heat waves and fires in the high zones.
Loss of agriculture, losses to floods and fires also cost the economy, as well as human lives. Despite the Prime Minister’s attempts to destroy the collection of data, the evidence of the climate crisis is all around us. We are sabotaging our children’s future – but what does it matter as long as the bitumen flows?
Elizabeth May
M.P. for Saanich-Gulf Islands"
"There is no shortage of compelling issues to discuss in a Hill Times Environmental Policy briefing. Even listing, without describing, the catalogue of assaults on environmental law and policy by the prime minister in the last 12 months is enough to occupy the whole issue.
Canada undermined global climate negotiations in Durban in December, negotiated in bad faith, and immediately announced intent to withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol when the Environment Minister touched down on Canadian soil. Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver kicked off the New Year with an assault on environmentalists and First Nations as “radicals.” The Prime Minister attacked environmental groups for accepting foreign funding, even as he courted Communist Party controlled state operations from China as investors in the oil sands. One Parliamentary Secretary said anyone opposed to pipelines and tankers was “against Canada.” When asked to withdraw the remark as un-parliamentary, she refused.
The legislative juggernaut, C-38, repealed the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, replacing a coherent piece of legislation with a discretionary formula for confusion, conflict and court cases. The gutting of the Fisheries Act raised the ire of four former federal Ministers of Fisheries. Environment Minister Peter Kent insulted the four former ministers, suggesting they had not read the Act. Mulroney era Minister Tom Siddon showed up to testify before the sub-committee on Finance and in short order made it clear he may be the only Minister who has read the act. While Fisheries Minister Keith Ashfield tried to claim the new Fisheries Act will improve habitat protection, the assault to habitat is real, underscored by the subsequent lay-off notices to all DFO habitat officers in British Columbia. The National Round Table on the Environment and Economy is scrapped. The Species at Risk Act and Navigable Waters Protection Act amended to allow the National Energy Board to assume jurisdiction of endangered species or navigable waters are in the way of any pipeline.
Basic science and monitoring is being savaged with the end of funding to the Canadian Foundation of Climate and Atmospheric Science, elimination of the Adaptation research group within Environment Canada, the cuts to ozone monitoring, the closure of the Polar Arctic and Environmental Laboratory (PEARL) in Eureka, the sale of the 58 lakes in the globally unique Experimental Lakes Area near Kenora, Ontario, the elimination of the marine contaminants programme within DFO, the loss of scientists in Natural Resources Canada to study ice cores data (and the hope to find a university with a large fridge willing to take the 80,000 year ice core record Canada’s government no longer wants), the end of monitoring smoke stack emissions, cut backs in the Canada Oil and Gas research group in Halifax, and cuts at NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada) resulting in the closing of the Yukon Research Lab at Yukon College in Whitehorse.
The thin end of the wedge of privatization has hit National Parks – first Jasper and then the hot springs at Banff, while cuts to ecological staff in the parks compelled former Deputy Minister Jacques Gerin to call on Harper to stop gutting National Parks.
It is a blitzkrieg of bad news as cut-backs and programme cancellation hit the core areas of federal responsibility to protect nature. The multi-faceted assault has the effect of blinding media and the public to the largest threat. In 2012, Canada still has no plan to address the threat of climate change.
While Stephen Harper has succeeded in dramatically reducing the Canadian media coverage of climate science through the muzzling of government scientists, the atmosphere does not seem to have gotten the memo. Around the world, the force and frequency of severe weather events has woken up even the mainstream US media. Fires, floods, tornadoes, heat waves are wreaking havoc on agriculture and running up the bills to the insurance industry. The culprit for much of this year’s strange weather phenomenon is the rapidly warming Arctic. As the Arctic warms the differential in temperature between the Arctic and the Equator becomes less pronounced. That causes the jet stream to lose its straight and fast course. (Francis, Vavrus study, Rutgers/Univ of Wisconsin). Slowing down, it has allowed large low pressure systems and high pressure systems to sit for far longer periods than normal in one place -- causing flooding in the low pressure zones and heat waves and fires in the high zones.
Loss of agriculture, losses to floods and fires also cost the economy, as well as human lives. Despite the Prime Minister’s attempts to destroy the collection of data, the evidence of the climate crisis is all around us. We are sabotaging our children’s future – but what does it matter as long as the bitumen flows?
Elizabeth May
M.P. for Saanich-Gulf Islands"
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WTF.....did Bush II and Cheney somehow get elected in Canada??? :evil:All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0
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Meh. Don't let Miss May's writers fool you with their blanket, fear-mongering statements. Words such as "assault", "juggernaut", "gutting", "savaged", "blitzkrieg", "muzzling" & "sabotaging" sprinkled throughout the letter do little but make for kindling under an uninformed fire. I'm not a political person, but I am an educated one, and I know fleece when someone is trying to pull it over my eyes.
I can't fight all Miss May's points but I can say I am 100% in favour of Alberta's Oil Sands; please read for yourselves the developmental precautions and subsequesnt re-development of the environment surrounding them. Did you know that the Oil Sand lands we are currently mining are already in the process of reclamation; that is, returning the land to it's previous state prior to mining? And the continuous improvements being made to the processes mean Oil Sand mining will become one of the cleanest ways to develop petroleum.Way to go Alberta!
http://oilsands.alberta.ca/cleanenergystory.html"If you are flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit." - Mitch Hedberg0 -
Mr. Fingerbottom wrote:Meh. Don't let Miss May's writers fool you with their blanket, fear-mongering statements. Words such as "assault", "juggernaut", "gutting", "savaged", "blitzkrieg", "muzzling" & "sabotaging" sprinkled throughout the letter do little but make for kindling under an uninformed fire. I'm not a political person, but I am an educated one, and I know fleece when someone is trying to pull it over my eyes.
I can't fight all Miss May's points but I can say I am 100% in favour of Alberta's Oil Sands; please read for yourselves the developmental precautions and subsequesnt re-development of the environment surrounding them. Did you know that the Oil Sand lands we are currently mining are already in the process of reclamation; that is, returning the land to it's previous state prior to mining? And the continuous improvements being made to the processes mean Oil Sand mining will become one of the cleanest ways to develop petroleum.Way to go Alberta!
http://oilsands.alberta.ca/cleanenergystory.html
Couldn't agree with this more. I live in Alberta and know that what is going on in our province is getting a pretty biased review in the media. It is such a shame that the other provinces turn a blind eye to the things they have done. For example; over fish the Atlantic, Asbestos mines, massive hydro dam floods, nickel factories with acid rain, the contamination of the great lakes, clear cutting of the interior forests and the massive mining operations in the north. We all are blind to the issues we have in our own backyards and point fingers but nobody seems to take the time to really research these topics.
Have to admit though that the bill is really going to make things too easy for expansion and at the end of the day Alberta isn't getting enough money back from the developments to pay for future reclamations.
Its a hot topic nonetheless.0 -
I can understand your reactions. I too, am not fond of the use of dramatic words that inspire fear. Following these events very closely and trying to stay educated on matters that are very dear to me, the sad truth is that this language has become a justifiable way of illustrating the current state of affairs in Canada. I think the over-arching message that Elizabeth May is trying to convey is that our government is working fervently and succeeding in stripping us of the right to any discussion around these critical issues. You are right - Alberta is not the culprit here. And there are many other major environmental and political issues that need attention across the country. We have a government that has huge financial vested interests that now openly drive all decisions without the luxury of public scrutiny or democratic debate, and will profit handsomely with no one to stop them while they are in power. Oil companies, for example, try to make money just as any other private enterprise. (Spending top dollar to persuade public opinion and create a positive brand image, as is customary). A major problem arises when your government becomes an instrumental player in this private sphere when they have, by definition, a duty to the public. This to me, is the pivotal and most alarming issue of all.
Having these discussions is incredibly important, whether we agree or agree to disagree. The day we can no longer do this, a different world awaits us. Thank you for your insights.0 -
This...thanks, as a fellow Albertan, we really do not need the only green party MP getting her skirt in a knot! Environmental protection and green party actions are easy to preach about when your own province has already destroyed a lot of Canada's the old growth forest...Oil sands development is important to the Canadian Economy, and gets such a bad wrap. I believe that a great deal is being done to protect the environment and develop responsibly, and this is being done on the developers dollar, not government money.mervin50 wrote:Mr. Fingerbottom wrote:Meh. Don't let Miss May's writers fool you with their blanket, fear-mongering statements. Words such as "assault", "juggernaut", "gutting", "savaged", "blitzkrieg", "muzzling" & "sabotaging" sprinkled throughout the letter do little but make for kindling under an uninformed fire. I'm not a political person, but I am an educated one, and I know fleece when someone is trying to pull it over my eyes.
I can't fight all Miss May's points but I can say I am 100% in favour of Alberta's Oil Sands; please read for yourselves the developmental precautions and subsequesnt re-development of the environment surrounding them. Did you know that the Oil Sand lands we are currently mining are already in the process of reclamation; that is, returning the land to it's previous state prior to mining? And the continuous improvements being made to the processes mean Oil Sand mining will become one of the cleanest ways to develop petroleum.Way to go Alberta!
http://oilsands.alberta.ca/cleanenergystory.html
Couldn't agree with this more. I live in Alberta and know that what is going on in our province is getting a pretty biased review in the media. It is such a shame that the other provinces turn a blind eye to the things they have done. For example; over fish the Atlantic, Asbestos mines, massive hydro dam floods, nickel factories with acid rain, the contamination of the great lakes, clear cutting of the interior forests and the massive mining operations in the north. We all are blind to the issues we have in our own backyards and point fingers but nobody seems to take the time to really research these topics.
Have to admit though that the bill is really going to make things too easy for expansion and at the end of the day Alberta isn't getting enough money back from the developments to pay for future reclamations.
Its a hot topic nonetheless.0 -
guitar59 wrote:
This...thanks, as a fellow Albertan, we really do not need the only green party MP getting her skirt in a knot! Environmental protection and green party actions are easy to preach about when your own province has already destroyed a lot of Canada's the old growth forest...Oil sands development is important to the Canadian Economy, and gets such a bad wrap. I believe that a great deal is being done to protect the environment and develop responsibly, and this is being done on the developers dollar, not government money.mervin50 wrote:Mr. Fingerbottom wrote:Meh. Don't let Miss May's writers fool you with their blanket, fear-mongering statements. Words such as "assault", "juggernaut", "gutting", "savaged", "blitzkrieg", "muzzling" & "sabotaging" sprinkled throughout the letter do little but make for kindling under an uninformed fire. I'm not a political person, but I am an educated one, and I know fleece when someone is trying to pull it over my eyes.
I can't fight all Miss May's points but I can say I am 100% in favour of Alberta's Oil Sands; please read for yourselves the developmental precautions and subsequesnt re-development of the environment surrounding them. Did you know that the Oil Sand lands we are currently mining are already in the process of reclamation; that is, returning the land to it's previous state prior to mining? And the continuous improvements being made to the processes mean Oil Sand mining will become one of the cleanest ways to develop petroleum.Way to go Alberta!
http://oilsands.alberta.ca/cleanenergystory.html
Couldn't agree with this more. I live in Alberta and know that what is going on in our province is getting a pretty biased review in the media. It is such a shame that the other provinces turn a blind eye to the things they have done. For example; over fish the Atlantic, Asbestos mines, massive hydro dam floods, nickel factories with acid rain, the contamination of the great lakes, clear cutting of the interior forests and the massive mining operations in the north. We all are blind to the issues we have in our own backyards and point fingers but nobody seems to take the time to really research these topics.
Have to admit though that the bill is really going to make things too easy for expansion and at the end of the day Alberta isn't getting enough money back from the developments to pay for future reclamations.
Its a hot topic nonetheless.
I think that the NDP MP in Ottawa is forgetting just how much the Oil Sands is maintaining manufacturing in Ontario and Quebec. Where do you think the vehicles used in area come from? These trucks are abused and have a 12 to 18 month life, once expired these are scrapped and recycles and where do you think this happens? Edmonton? Not necessarily it gets shipped back out east for future uses. This is just one example.... I've not the time to dig deeper into this for the sake of a ignorant politician that has yet to 'struggle' to have ends meet. Cushy life, cushy outlook Mr. Mulcair....0 -
Mr. Fingerbottom wrote:Meh. Don't let Miss May's writers fool you with their blanket, fear-mongering statements. Words such as "assault", "juggernaut", "gutting", "savaged", "blitzkrieg", "muzzling" & "sabotaging" sprinkled throughout the letter do little but make for kindling under an uninformed fire. I'm not a political person, but I am an educated one, and I know fleece when someone is trying to pull it over my eyes.
I can't fight all Miss May's points but I can say I am 100% in favour of Alberta's Oil Sands; please read for yourselves the developmental precautions and subsequesnt re-development of the environment surrounding them. Did you know that the Oil Sand lands we are currently mining are already in the process of reclamation; that is, returning the land to it's previous state prior to mining? And the continuous improvements being made to the processes mean Oil Sand mining will become one of the cleanest ways to develop petroleum.Way to go Alberta!
http://oilsands.alberta.ca/cleanenergystory.html
Nice try Mr. Harper0 -
what I don't get is how he was elected? what was the issues with the last PM? This Harper fellow sounds a lot like an Australian ex PM.. John Howard. Pretty much as conservative as you can get.I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
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Mr. Fingerbottom wrote:Meh. Don't let Miss May's writers fool you with their blanket, fear-mongering statements. Words such as "assault", "juggernaut", "gutting", "savaged", "blitzkrieg", "muzzling" & "sabotaging" sprinkled throughout the letter do little but make for kindling under an uninformed fire. I'm not a political person, but I am an educated one, and I know fleece when someone is trying to pull it over my eyes.
I can't fight all Miss May's points but I can say I am 100% in favour of Alberta's Oil Sands; please read for yourselves the developmental precautions and subsequesnt re-development of the environment surrounding them. Did you know that the Oil Sand lands we are currently mining are already in the process of reclamation; that is, returning the land to it's previous state prior to mining? And the continuous improvements being made to the processes mean Oil Sand mining will become one of the cleanest ways to develop petroleum.Way to go Alberta!
http://oilsands.alberta.ca/cleanenergystory.html
According to this article: http://www.pembina.org/oil-sands/os101/reclamation only 0.15 % of these lands are certified by the Canadian government as reclaimed.
And this:
Oilsands reclamation will not return the boreal forest to its natural state.
The Athabasca boreal forest is naturally composed of about 60% wetlands,4 Wetlands perform several important ecological functions, including flood reduction, prevention of erosion, water filtration, recharging water tables and carbon sequestration.5
Research outside the Alberta oil sands region suggests peatland restoration may be possible, but, to date, there has been no demonstration of successful reclamation of wetlands with high peat content in the Athabasca boreal region."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Zoso wrote:what I don't get is how he was elected? what was the issues with the last PM? This Harper fellow sounds a lot like an Australian ex PM.. John Howard. Pretty much as conservative as you can get.
Basically the 2 big left wing parties split the left vote...and we only have 1 Conservative Party. I wouldn't agree that he's as conservative as you can get...in the states i would say both parties are more conservative than our conservative federally...just my opinion though...I'm sure some will view it different...either way he's the PM for 3 more years.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
the tarsands are a disaster ... you can pay PR and advertising agencies all the money in the world but at the end of the day - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize how damaging they are to the environment and the world ...
the reality is that i would have a bit more respect for the people involve with the tarsands if they just said ... look, i know its bad but i'm getting paid a lot of money and i gotta think of my family and me ... the world ain't perfect and i got kids to put through school ... instead of all this propaganda and bs ...
these are oil companies ... if you were to rank industries that are most evil ... they would be second to weapons manufacturers ...0 -
I hear how evil the tar sands are...anyone got solutions? besides shutting them down...I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
polaris_x wrote:lukin2006 wrote:I hear how evil the tar sands are...anyone got solutions? besides shutting them down...
solutions to what?
we don't need the oil
solutions to employing everyone in the entire oil industry? solutions to massive profiteering? ... not entirely
well there not going to be shut down! don't need oil...huh...my vehicle needs oil! If people think I'm going to pay a premium do drive an electric car or some form of hybrid think again. Somehow I don't see the demand for oil dwindling.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
As for employing people in the oil industry...they make good money, that oil in the ground can't be moved and mined in China, it can be refined in China but still has to be mined here...I would really hate to see the devastating effects of us not have those resources on our economy. After all manufacturing is going extinct in Canada and I know a lot tool and die shops in my area survived the near collapse of the auto industry by gaining contracts to do work for the oil industry.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
1. we don't need that oil ... there is still plenty of oil in the rest of the world ... it's not like just because it's extracted here - you pay less ... you pay the same amount whether its extracted in Iraq or Alberta ... it's a racket ...
2. just because an industry employs a ton of people - doesn't make it good ... should we get more people with cancer so we can employ more doctors, pharmaceutical researchers and hospitals to support that industry? ... oil is an obsolete fuel that has more cons than pros ... we need to move off of it ... and if we need to use oil now - we certainly shouldn't be getting it from a source that requires triple the amount of resources to extract it than conventional places ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:1. we don't need that oil ... there is still plenty of oil in the rest of the world ... it's not like just because it's extracted here - you pay less ... you pay the same amount whether its extracted in Iraq or Alberta ... it's a racket ...
2. just because an industry employs a ton of people - doesn't make it good ... should we get more people with cancer so we can employ more doctors, pharmaceutical researchers and hospitals to support that industry? ... oil is an obsolete fuel that has more cons than pros ... we need to move off of it ... and if we need to use oil now - we certainly shouldn't be getting it from a source that requires triple the amount of resources to extract it than conventional places ...
Like I said...they are not going to stop extracting...so people who are extremely annoyed by this need to start pushing solutions to make it less harmful to extract (if there are solutions).
And those who would like it stopped need to tell the rest of us how that money is going to replaced in the economy...like I said manufacturing is near extinction, our resource economy is really providing a lot of government revenues.
And I am one who not only wants it extracted here I also want it refined here...
of course Alberta could get into the manufacturing of wind turbines...first though they should check and see how many Ontarian's are employed in the industry that I'm sure Dalton and his gang of thieves poured mega $$$ into.
Somehow though I seem to think most of Alberta has far less pollution than this cesspool Ontario has become...and why not focus in your own back yard. Ontario is an extremely polluted, waster of energy province.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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lukin2006 wrote:Like I said...they are not going to stop extracting...so people who are extremely annoyed by this need to start pushing solutions to make it less harmful to extract (if there are solutions).
And those who would like it stopped need to tell the rest of us how that money is going to replaced in the economy...like I said manufacturing is near extinction, our resource economy is really providing a lot of government revenues.
And I am one who not only wants it extracted here I also want it refined here...
of course Alberta could get into the manufacturing of wind turbines...first though they should check and see how many Ontarian's are employed in the industry that I'm sure Dalton and his gang of thieves poured mega $$$ into.
Somehow though I seem to think most of Alberta has far less pollution than this cesspool Ontario has become...and why not focus in your own back yard. Ontario is an extremely polluted, waster of energy province.
there are solutions ... plenty ... we haven't needed the combustible engine for a long time ... what's your average daily commute?
and again - just because they aren't going to stop extracting doesn't mean we should be ok with it ... how absurd of logic is that!? ...
pollution rank by province ... http://www.pollutionwatch.org/rank.do?c ... st=RELE_ON
1 Alberta 1,340,911,481 30.56%
2 Ontario 854,285,048 19.47%
3 Quebec 661,832,714 15.08%
and ontario has over 3 x the population as Alberta ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:lukin2006 wrote:Like I said...they are not going to stop extracting...so people who are extremely annoyed by this need to start pushing solutions to make it less harmful to extract (if there are solutions).
And those who would like it stopped need to tell the rest of us how that money is going to replaced in the economy...like I said manufacturing is near extinction, our resource economy is really providing a lot of government revenues.
And I am one who not only wants it extracted here I also want it refined here...
of course Alberta could get into the manufacturing of wind turbines...first though they should check and see how many Ontarian's are employed in the industry that I'm sure Dalton and his gang of thieves poured mega $$$ into.
Somehow though I seem to think most of Alberta has far less pollution than this cesspool Ontario has become...and why not focus in your own back yard. Ontario is an extremely polluted, waster of energy province.
there are solutions ... plenty ... we haven't needed the combustible engine for a long time ... what's your average daily commute?
and again - just because they aren't going to stop extracting doesn't mean we should be ok with it ... how absurd of logic is that!? ...
pollution rank by province ... http://www.pollutionwatch.org/rank.do?c ... st=RELE_ON
1 Alberta 1,340,911,481 30.56%
2 Ontario 854,285,048 19.47%
3 Quebec 661,832,714 15.08%
and ontario has over 3 x the population as Alberta ...
Well there not bringing out anything affordable to replace the combustion engine. I commute 45 kms 1 way...public transit is not an option...I generally buy used fuel efficient vehicles...Ontario is a cesspool and my opinion on that will never change...the Windsor to Toronto corridor is extremely polluted, I realize the vast majority is coming in from the states, but you barely hear any of the knucklehead politicians bring that up
anymore, we also contribute plenty to it as well.
I like the fact that Alberta has 1/3 less people...make the province even more attractive
. I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
lukin2006 wrote:Well there not bringing out anything affordable to replace the combustion engine. I commute 45 kms 1 way...public transit is not an option...I generally buy used fuel efficient vehicles...Ontario is a cesspool and my opinion on that will never change...the Windsor to Toronto corridor is extremely polluted, I realize the vast majority is coming in from the states, but you barely hear any of the knucklehead politicians bring that up
anymore, we also contribute plenty to it as well.
I like the fact that Alberta has 1/3 less people...make the province even more attractive.
ok ... so, let me get this straight ... you admitted that most of our pollution comes from the states ... you recognize that alberta produces over 50% more pollution than ontario with less than a third of the population but yet - it's irrelevant ... ontario is the cesspool!? ... :fp:
ontario just closed another coal power plant ... our energy consumption is on the decline and we are increasing our use of renewables ... but hey - don't let facts get in the way of your hate ...0
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