Obama's backdoor gun ban
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JonnyPistachio wrote:1700's
2012
maybe juuuust a slight difference...
if you were on the recieving end of it I don't thing the difference would matter much
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Godfather. wrote:JonnyPistachio wrote:1700's
2012
maybe juuuust a slight difference... if you were on the recieving end of it I don't thing the difference would matter much
Godfather.
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.38 special small and compact.
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Personally, I would love to see the world rid of guns. Of course that won't happen and there are so many guns in the US that we'll not likely ever see those go away and if you tried to take everyone's guns away in my county there'd likely be a blood bath. So I doubt anything I say will convince gun owners to ban or even limit guns but I would beseech you to consider a few things.
Firstly, in general NRA supporters project much greater concern for being able to keep their guns than for the safety and well being of others. You can argue that you aren't like that but I'm talking about the way NRA/gun supports project themselves as a whole.
Secondly, in general gun supporters too seldom consider other forms of self-protection or take into consideration that far too often guns are used too quickly and easily in fits of rage or in planned use against innocent people like the congresswoman mentioned.
Thirdly, gun owners don't like to admit that for many, the whole gun thing is another form of dick waving which at its roots is a psychology of insecurity and self doubt. Those who argue most strongly against this might have the biggest issues that way.
We probably won't get rid of guns but I wish gun owners would at least own up to some of this stuff."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
From 30 feet away? I'm impressed. Not that I can't hit a paper target with my Glock from that distance, but it better be sitting damned still!Godfather. wrote:.38 special small and compact.
Godfather.
I like how the aussie is approaching this topic -- though I disagree with her POV -- so I'll try to answer a couple of her questions.
Defense against what? A number of things, I'm sure, but here are a couple examples:
-- Criminals with ill intent towards innocents (whether it be my family, friends, or others)
-- Other armed militias (yes I see the mild irony there)
-- US Gov't. Yes this sounds ridiculous in the face of tanks and laser-guided bombs and trained infantry, but if it was so easy for tech and training to overwhelm, would we still be in Afghanistan and Iraq? It's a deterrent of tyranny, if nothing else. And anyhow, if we're at the point where the US Gov't is using overwhelming force inside its own borders, on its own citizens -- all bets are probably off by then anyway. If by then you don't have a gun, you'll be wishing you did when all the local grocery stores are empty and there's no electricity in your house.
-- Hunting. Why do I have to be dependent on others for my food? Granted this applies to a select few people in practice these days (at least insofar as people independently meeting ALL their food needs), but that doesn't make it an illegitimate point.
-- Zombies. Do you guys get the Walking Dead tv series down under? Shit is for reals.
Is the country/environment different than in the 18th century?
Yes of course, in many ways, but in many ways we've just traded one threat for another. For example, our political leaders then were visionaries with a pursuit for liberty as their primary directive (Some rose-tinted glasses there, left over from my US History courses in high school, I'll admit, but compared to the representatives of today? C'mon.). So we had better leaders, leading a less-powerful military. Now we have questionable leaders, leading an insanely powerful military. Which do I need more protection from?
Just a starting point here. This topic is pretty old hat on AMT, so I don't think it's necessary to trot out example after example here.
For the part about Iran, meh, that's just icing on the big slice of shit-cake that is the UN regulating anything inside my own borders.0 -
MotoDC wrote:
From 30 feet away? I'm impressed. Not that I can't hit a paper target with my Glock from that distance, but it better be sitting damned still!Godfather. wrote:.38 special small and compact.
Godfather.
I like how the aussie is approaching this topic -- though I disagree with her POV -- so I'll try to answer a couple of her questions.
Defense against what? A number of things, I'm sure, but here are a couple examples:
-- Criminals with ill intent towards innocents (whether it be my family, friends, or others)
-- Other armed militias (yes I see the mild irony there)
-- US Gov't. Yes this sounds ridiculous in the face of tanks and laser-guided bombs and trained infantry, but if it was so easy for tech and training to overwhelm, would we still be in Afghanistan and Iraq? It's a deterrent of tyranny, if nothing else. And anyhow, if we're at the point where the US Gov't is using overwhelming force inside its own borders, on its own citizens -- all bets are probably off by then anyway. If by then you don't have a gun, you'll be wishing you did when all the local grocery stores are empty and there's no electricity in your house.
-- Hunting. Why do I have to be dependent on others for my food? Granted this applies to a select few people in practice these days (at least insofar as people independently meeting ALL their food needs), but that doesn't make it an illegitimate point.
-- Zombies. Do you guys get the Walking Dead tv series down under? Shit is for reals.
Is the country/environment different than in the 18th century?
Yes of course, in many ways, but in many ways we've just traded one threat for another. For example, our political leaders then were visionaries with a pursuit for liberty as their primary directive (Some rose-tinted glasses there, left over from my US History courses in high school, I'll admit, but compared to the representatives of today? C'mon.). So we had better leaders, leading a less-powerful military. Now we have questionable leaders, leading an insanely powerful military. Which do I need more protection from?
Just a starting point here. This topic is pretty old hat on AMT, so I don't think it's necessary to trot out example after example here.
For the part about Iran, meh, that's just icing on the big slice of shit-cake that is the UN regulating anything inside my own borders.
o.k. maybe not at 30'
but I like your post on the subject.
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People with this opinion exist, but I know very few gun owners who are for a full-on laissez faire approach.brianlux wrote:...or even limit guns but I would beseech you to consider a few things.
Again, I'm sure people like that exist, but the reason for the impression you get is that they're beyond that point. That is, it goes without saying (from their point of view) that keeping their guns = greater safety and well being for themselves and the people around them.Firstly, in general NRA supporters project much greater concern for being able to keep their guns than for the safety and well being of others. You can argue that you aren't like that but I'm talking about the way NRA/gun supports project themselves as a whole.
Karate chop? Please elaborate.Secondly, in general gun supporters too seldom consider other forms of self-protection
Once is probably far too often for you, regardless of any other argument, so I'll not take the bait on this one.or take into consideration that far too often guns are used too quickly and easily in fits of rage
Extreme events are extreme. Further, high-cap magazines, like the one used in the horrible incident with the congresswoman, are illegal to produce (and sell? not sure about that) almost everywhere, though some old ones are grandfathered in.or in planned use against innocent people like the congresswoman mentioned.
Thanks for setting up that inarguable scenario. Clever trick. Careful, nobody argue with brian lest he be profiled for phallus insufficiency.Thirdly, gun owners don't like to admit that for many, the whole gun thing is another form of dick waving which at its roots is a psychology of insecurity and self doubt. Those who argue most strongly against this might have the biggest issues that way.0 -
I thought with was going to be a ban from concealing your gun up your ass.
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Which made me think, 'We need a LAW for that?"
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nevermind.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre, warn the treaty would mark a major step toward the eventual erosion of the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment gun-ownership rights.
Americans “just don’t want the UN to be acting as a global nanny with a global permission slip stating whether they can own a gun or not,” LaPierre said. “It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty,”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11 ... z20RIJr8YR
doesn't anyone else find it weird that this guy complains about the UN dictating who can own a gun while at the same time the USA and the UN is telling other countries that they can't have weapons themselves.0 -
wayne lapierre's MO is to warn of major steps towards the erosion of the second amendment's gun ownership rights. that is all he ever says. based on what, who knows?fife wrote:National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre, warn the treaty would mark a major step toward the eventual erosion of the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment gun-ownership rights.
Americans “just don’t want the UN to be acting as a global nanny with a global permission slip stating whether they can own a gun or not,” LaPierre said. “It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty,”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11 ... z20RIJr8YR
doesn't anyone else find it weird that this guy complains about the UN dictating who can own a gun while at the same time the USA and the UN is telling other countries that they can't have weapons themselves."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:
wayne lapierre's MO is to warn of major steps towards the erosion of the second amendment's gun ownership rights. that is all he ever says. based on what, who knows?fife wrote:National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre, warn the treaty would mark a major step toward the eventual erosion of the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment gun-ownership rights.
Americans “just don’t want the UN to be acting as a global nanny with a global permission slip stating whether they can own a gun or not,” LaPierre said. “It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty,”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11 ... z20RIJr8YR
doesn't anyone else find it weird that this guy complains about the UN dictating who can own a gun while at the same time the USA and the UN is telling other countries that they can't have weapons themselves.
I just don't understand how foreign governments can restrict how americans can buy guns? maybe I am just not smart enough so can some please tell me that.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487catefrances wrote:
can you at least acknowledge that the climate in which the 2nd ammendment was written is different to what is faced today? or dont you think its so? and if that is the case then surely changes need to be made... for the benefit and health of the american society? this is afterall the 21st century, NOT the 1700s.
Jesus... (and I don't pray) you are, for lack of a better term, clueless on this subject.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487JonnyPistachio wrote:1700's
2012
maybe juuuust a slight difference...
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487MotoDC wrote:
From 30 feet away? I'm impressed. Not that I can't hit a paper target with my Glock from that distance, but it better be sitting damned still!Godfather. wrote:.38 special small and compact.
Godfather.
I like how the aussie is approaching this topic -- though I disagree with her POV -- so I'll try to answer a couple of her questions.
Defense against what? A number of things, I'm sure, but here are a couple examples:
-- Criminals with ill intent towards innocents (whether it be my family, friends, or others)
-- Other armed militias (yes I see the mild irony there)
-- US Gov't. Yes this sounds ridiculous in the face of tanks and laser-guided bombs and trained infantry, but if it was so easy for tech and training to overwhelm, would we still be in Afghanistan and Iraq? It's a deterrent of tyranny, if nothing else. And anyhow, if we're at the point where the US Gov't is using overwhelming force inside its own borders, on its own citizens -- all bets are probably off by then anyway. If by then you don't have a gun, you'll be wishing you did when all the local grocery stores are empty and there's no electricity in your house.
-- Hunting. Why do I have to be dependent on others for my food? Granted this applies to a select few people in practice these days (at least insofar as people independently meeting ALL their food needs), but that doesn't make it an illegitimate point.
-- Zombies. Do you guys get the Walking Dead tv series down under? Shit is for reals.
Is the country/environment different than in the 18th century?
Yes of course, in many ways, but in many ways we've just traded one threat for another. For example, our political leaders then were visionaries with a pursuit for liberty as their primary directive (Some rose-tinted glasses there, left over from my US History courses in high school, I'll admit, but compared to the representatives of today? C'mon.). So we had better leaders, leading a less-powerful military. Now we have questionable leaders, leading an insanely powerful military. Which do I need more protection from?
Just a starting point here. This topic is pretty old hat on AMT, so I don't think it's necessary to trot out example after example here.
For the part about Iran, meh, that's just icing on the big slice of shit-cake that is the UN regulating anything inside my own borders.
Pretty much what I would have said. Good reply.0 -
what gun freedom has been lost that you had the day before obama took office?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487He is setting all of this up for a second term, that is why his re-election is very dangerous to the 2A, not to mention freedom in general.
We've been over this before, you refuse to believe anything that I type even though the evidence is squarely put in front of you. He has something to lose now, he wins re-election all bets are off.
"Tell Vladimir, this is my last election, after my election, I have more flexibility.”
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Haha, good point.0
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"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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