Obama's backdoor gun ban

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edited July 2012 in A Moving Train
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11 ... y-critics/


Since F&F failed miserably at a ban now they want countries like IRAN to have say on our Right to defend ourselves.

This is disgusting and insulting.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    I stopped reading here: While the treaty’s details are still under discussion...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/


    Since F&F failed miserably at a ban now they want countries like IRAN to have say on our Right to defend ourselves.

    This is disgusting and insulting.


    dangerous move for any politican that supports this bullshit as it could be a career ending move for them and most likely increase the NRA's membership (which is a good thing imo)


    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/


    Since F&F failed miserably at a ban now they want countries like IRAN to have say on our Right to defend ourselves.

    This is disgusting and insulting.


    and who is it youre defending yourself against????


    i dont think any country has the right to ingratiate itself upon another however i seriously believe that the US would benefit from taking a good hard look at itself in regards to the 2nd ammendment.... at the price it pays for such a freedom... is it worth it? can the US look to other countries and see the benefits of curtailing what has become a right out of control. i understand history and i understand the climate in which the bill of rights was written. and please americans i dont mean this as some sort of disrespect but sincerely as a fellow human who values every breathing life. i know where the 2nd ammendment comes from... i understand all the points of view... yet i cant see it any other way than i do... and that is that the 2nd ammendment has been abused and used for the selfish purposes of politicians and special interest groups who do not have your countrys best interests at heart... that they use it to make you all feel as if you rights as an american are being infringed upon. and maybe some of you think that is the case but i truly believe within my heart and within my soul that as a society, as a nation and as a supposed leader of the world the 2nd ammendment in its current form is more a hindrance than a right.
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  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/


    Since F&F failed miserably at a ban now they want countries like IRAN to have say on our Right to defend ourselves.

    This is disgusting and insulting.


    and who is it youre defending yourself against????


    i dont think any country has the right to ingratiate itself upon another however i seriously believe that the US would benefit from taking a good hard look at itself in regards to the 2nd ammendment.... at the price it pays for such a freedom... is it worth it? can the US look to other countries and see the benefits of curtailing what has become a right out of control. i understand history and i understand the climate in which the bill of rights was written. and please americans i dont mean this as some sort of disrespect but sincerely as a fellow human who values every breathing life. i know where the 2nd ammendment comes from... i understand all the points of view... yet i cant see it any other way than i do... and that is that the 2nd ammendment has been abused and used for the selfish purposes of politicians and special interest groups who do not have your countrys best interests at heart... that they use it to make you all feel as if you rights as an american are being infringed upon. and maybe some of you think that is the case but i truly believe within my heart and within my soul that as a society, as a nation and as a supposed leader of the world the 2nd ammendment in its current form is more a hindrance than a right.


    :clap: Nicely said!
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/


    Since F&F failed miserably at a ban now they want countries like IRAN to have say on our Right to defend ourselves.

    This is disgusting and insulting.


    and who is it youre defending yourself against????


    i dont think any country has the right to ingratiate itself upon another however i seriously believe that the US would benefit from taking a good hard look at itself in regards to the 2nd ammendment.... at the price it pays for such a freedom... is it worth it? can the US look to other countries and see the benefits of curtailing what has become a right out of control. i understand history and i understand the climate in which the bill of rights was written. and please americans i dont mean this as some sort of disrespect but sincerely as a fellow human who values every breathing life. i know where the 2nd ammendment comes from... i understand all the points of view... yet i cant see it any other way than i do... and that is that the 2nd ammendment has been abused and used for the selfish purposes of politicians and special interest groups who do not have your countrys best interests at heart... that they use it to make you all feel as if you rights as an american are being infringed upon. and maybe some of you think that is the case but i truly believe within my heart and within my soul that as a society, as a nation and as a supposed leader of the world the 2nd ammendment in its current form is more a hindrance than a right.


    disagree.

    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/


    Since F&F failed miserably at a ban now they want countries like IRAN to have say on our Right to defend ourselves.

    This is disgusting and insulting.


    and who is it youre defending yourself against????


    i dont think any country has the right to ingratiate itself upon another however i seriously believe that the US would benefit from taking a good hard look at itself in regards to the 2nd ammendment.... at the price it pays for such a freedom... is it worth it? can the US look to other countries and see the benefits of curtailing what has become a right out of control. i understand history and i understand the climate in which the bill of rights was written. and please americans i dont mean this as some sort of disrespect but sincerely as a fellow human who values every breathing life. i know where the 2nd ammendment comes from... i understand all the points of view... yet i cant see it any other way than i do... and that is that the 2nd ammendment has been abused and used for the selfish purposes of politicians and special interest groups who do not have your countrys best interests at heart... that they use it to make you all feel as if you rights as an american are being infringed upon. and maybe some of you think that is the case but i truly believe within my heart and within my soul that as a society, as a nation and as a supposed leader of the world the 2nd ammendment in its current form is more a hindrance than a right.


    disagree.

    Godfather.

    and thats fine.. please tell me why.
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  • Godfather.
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    the 2nd amendment is a right that we should not change in any way ..not even a little bit and I hope it never happens, it's stuff like what is being talked about with gun owner info share with countries like ...Iran...wtf !
    that make people want to own unregestered guns, if we can't trust our own government on the rights of the 2nd amendment why should we trust them with the info about the guns we own ?

    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    the 2nd amendment is a right that we should not change in any way ..not even a little bit and I hope it never happens, it's stuff like what is being talked about with gun owner info share with countries like ...Iran...wtf !
    that make people want to own unregestered guns, if we can't trust our own government on the rights of the 2nd amendment why should we trust them with the info about the guns we own ?

    Godfather.

    can you at least acknowledge that the climate in which the 2nd ammendment was written is different to what is faced today? or dont you think its so? and if that is the case then surely changes need to be made... for the benefit and health of the american society? this is afterall the 21st century, NOT the 1700s.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,074
    serious question.

    honestly, what rights did you have the day before obama took office that you don't have today?

    i mean for fucks sakes, a congresswoman was shot in the head by a gun with a 30 round clip and those are still legal...


    the 2nd is never going away.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    catefrances wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    the 2nd amendment is a right that we should not change in any way ..not even a little bit and I hope it never happens, it's stuff like what is being talked about with gun owner info share with countries like ...Iran...wtf !
    that make people want to own unregestered guns, if we can't trust our own government on the rights of the 2nd amendment why should we trust them with the info about the guns we own ?

    Godfather.

    can you at least acknowledge that the climate in which the 2nd ammendment was written is different to what is faced today? or dont you think its so? and if that is the case then surely changes need to be made... for the benefit and health of the american society? this is afterall the 21st century, NOT the 1700s.

    sorry no,what has changed the most(climate) in my opinion is the control that has been forced on the American people.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    serious question.

    honestly, what rights did you have the day before obama took office that you don't have today?

    i mean for fucks sakes, a congresswoman was shot in the head by a gun with a 30 round clip and those are still legal...


    the 2nd is never going away.

    thank goodness the 2nd is never going away, ..it's just a open forum debate/discussion on the 2nd amendment and the story that has been posted, that's all my friend.

    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    the 2nd amendment is a right that we should not change in any way ..not even a little bit and I hope it never happens, it's stuff like what is being talked about with gun owner info share with countries like ...Iran...wtf !
    that make people want to own unregestered guns, if we can't trust our own government on the rights of the 2nd amendment why should we trust them with the info about the guns we own ?

    Godfather.

    can you at least acknowledge that the climate in which the 2nd ammendment was written is different to what is faced today? or dont you think its so? and if that is the case then surely changes need to be made... for the benefit and health of the american society? this is afterall the 21st century, NOT the 1700s.

    sorry no,what has changed the most(climate) in my opinion is the control that has been forced on the American people.

    Godfather.

    seriously?? you think that 21st century america is the same as revolutionary america? is that what youre saying? cause to me that seems to be an uneducated opinion and that cant be right, surely? and if that is right its an opinion i cant understand.
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  • Godfather.
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    the people feel the same today as they did in the 1700's,we may not be at war with GB but we still have the need to protect our borders and our property and personal safety..that's our right and changing the 2nd amendment or giving the info of the American gun owner to other countries espically IRAN jepordizes the personal safety of every American.

    Godfather.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,702
    Godfather. wrote:
    the people feel the same today as they did in the 1700's

    Godfather.

    I saw that Gallup poll comparing attitudes related to gun ownership in the 1700's to today. I'm glad at least our attitudes changed about wigs, tights, and slavery.
  • catefrances
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    Godfather. wrote:
    the people feel the same today as they did in the 1700's,we may not be at war with GB but we still have the need to protect our borders and our property and personal safety..that's our right and changing the 2nd amendment or giving the info of the American gun owner to other countries espically IRAN jepordizes the personal safety of every American.

    Godfather.


    how does iran jeopardise your personal freedom?

    how do the the people of 21st century america find equivalence with those in the 1700s who faced a very real threat having just gone through a war of independence. what is it you understand the 2nd ammendment to mean? do you think it has no context but stands alone as some god given right regardless of time? and if you think it does have context in relation to today please share with me what you think that is so that i might better understand where youre coming from... because serioously and with all due respect i see 1700s america as a very different place from 21st century anerica.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    catefrances wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    the people feel the same today as they did in the 1700's,we may not be at war with GB but we still have the need to protect our borders and our property and personal safety..that's our right and changing the 2nd amendment or giving the info of the American gun owner to other countries espically IRAN jepordizes the personal safety of every American.

    Godfather.


    how does iran jeopardise your personal freedom?

    how do the the people of 21st century america find equivalence with those in the 1700s who faced a very real threat having just gone through a war of independence. what is it you understand the 2nd ammendment to mean? do you think it has no context but stands alone as some god even right? and if you think it does have context in relation to today please share with me what you think that is so that i might better understand where youre coming from... because serioously and with all due respect i see 1700s america as a very different place from 21st century anerica.
    it's not so different, the only difference is time the people are the same,your argument could be used in the same way in every country in the world,rights that have been around for thousands or hundreds of years that people will not change or give up and as far as iran goes I don't think I need to explain that one.


    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    the people feel the same today as they did in the 1700's,we may not be at war with GB but we still have the need to protect our borders and our property and personal safety..that's our right and changing the 2nd amendment or giving the info of the American gun owner to other countries espically IRAN jepordizes the personal safety of every American.

    Godfather.


    how does iran jeopardise your personal freedom?

    how do the the people of 21st century america find equivalence with those in the 1700s who faced a very real threat having just gone through a war of independence. what is it you understand the 2nd ammendment to mean? do you think it has no context but stands alone as some god even right? and if you think it does have context in relation to today please share with me what you think that is so that i might better understand where youre coming from... because serioously and with all due respect i see 1700s america as a very different place from 21st century anerica.
    it's not so different, the only difference is time the people are the same,your argument could be used in the same way in every country in the world,rights that have been around for thousands or hundreds of years that people will not change or give up and as far as iran goes I don't think I need to explain that one.


    Godfather.

    you havent answered my questions godfather... and it disappoints me. i dont need your roundabout talk.. what i want is a discussion which includes answers to the questions i ask of you. im not gonna learn anything from you if you evade my queries. and you surely know such vagueness isnt gonna fly with me so yes you do need to explain.... but just for starters i will ask again ... how does iran jeopardise your personal freedom?
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Map: US bases encircle Iran

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/intera ... 67298.html
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    1700's
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    2012
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    cate sorry for being vage...
    my discomfort with iran is my personal view, I do not trust irans government or the muslim faith people there or here for that matter and that's that where my reply on iran ends.
    and answers to the question you ask of me....well I'll do my best boss ;)
    I believe I have been pretty direct with my posts and made sure to state that it's "my opinion" so unless you are trying to get me to say what you want to hear I think I have been upfront on this issue.

    Godfather.

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