Ban 'anonymous' speech online?

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/01/12002590-happy-kid-kills-himself-over-bullying-at-two-nyc-schools

    I'm on Pandora's team now. Stop the hate!

    If only these bullies could be identified...this could have been prevented.
    hmmm how did I get ??? ...

    "Teacher of the Year' winner accused of sending nude photos to student
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    markin ball... that is a very sad story. This is school bullying. It would seem that adults had an incline as to what was happening, so did classmates (and obviously his family). I'm sure the bullies are known as they are also part of the school. The school declined to comment - would be interesting to know what they had done (or not) to help the boy. Again, so much in place to deal with this, but the ball needs to get rolling to start with.

    Your example, whilst tragic, has nothing to do with the bill being proposed. This kind of bullying is dealt with in a very different manner than cyber bullying.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Stop the hate yourself. Stop being a victim. Don't like it? Don't be a victim. If you're offended, I don't care! You control all of those offensive comments in your head. Start being proactive and start actually being a positive person instead of the negative one you are. YOU stop the hate!
    I'm not a victim and you even assuming I am
    shows how you do not understand this problem at all.

    It is another sign of bias and judgment both of which are obvious and very negative.
    Counterproductive to learning about the problem and fixing it.

    Somehow you have in your head people here could be victims of cyber bullying on this site.
    We are not, could not
    we have guidleines and rules here that keep that from happening. Others do not!

    You are making this about me it is about cyber bully victims which I am not. :fp:

    I am working hard to Stop the Hate am in the champaign and understand
    why we need it.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    markin ball... that is a very sad story. This is school bullying. It would seem that adults had an incline as to what was happening, so did classmates (and obviously his family). I'm sure the bullies are known as they are also part of the school. The school declined to comment - would be interesting to know what they had done (or not) to help the boy. Again, so much in place to deal with this, but the ball needs to get rolling to start with.

    Your example, whilst tragic, has nothing to do with the bill being proposed. This kind of bullying is dealt with in a very different manner than cyber bullying.
    It has very much to do with it. Children are dying because of cyber bullying too...
    is that tragic also or is that the victims fault?

    Is that dismissible because somehow you might have to give something up?

    Which you don't ... you, I, nobody gives up a damn thing with this proposal.

    It is trying to bring the same type of guidelines
    we enjoy in a private club to sites that have none.

    It is fair and just and will help thousands, millions of future victims.

    From the link it looks like happy child ... I will google it slips away ...
    why do I get the naughty teacher? I would laugh here but naughty teachers ....

    I have read so many stories in my research, heartbreaking, shed many tears
    and for those left behind, the parents, the siblings, the grandparents.
    To think our world can do this to a child.

    Stop the Hate.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    g under p wrote:
    While we do get that break from this forum maybe some of us can do some more research, study and find sources. Then come back with a new angle on all of this and we can start anewwith this crusade of internet cyberbullying.
    Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!

    I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.

    Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )

    Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!

    I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.

    Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )

    Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
    Do we think one person runs this debate?

    If there are other features to this bill then debate them :fp:

    The proposal is about cyber bullying why it was created by the creator.
    You can see that in many articles on line.
    The OP's article wishes to paint a different light then many I read
    but it is clear the wishes that were intended in the bill.
    The leaning articles can be read both ways but it is all about cyber bullying....

    Ah politics gotta love the set backs it causes for solving real life suffering.

    and it is all about...
    Stop the Hate.
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,838
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!

    I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.

    Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )

    Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
    Do we think one person runs this debate?

    If there are other features to this bill then debate them :fp:

    The proposal is about cyber bullying why it was created by the creator.
    You can see that in many articles on line.
    The OP's article wishes to paint a different light then many I read
    but it is clear the wishes that were intended in the bill.
    The leaning articles can be read both ways but it is all about cyber bullying....

    Ah politics gotta love the set backs it causes for solving real life suffering.

    and it is all about...
    Stop the Hate.

    Also important to stop the blind faith.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:

    Also important to stop the blind faith.
    I'm partial to a leap of faith myself

    but that band rocks thanks for reminding me!
    It's a great way to start my day :D
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,856
    redrock wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    While we do get that break from this forum maybe some of us can do some more research, study and find sources. Then come back with a new angle on all of this and we can start anewwith this crusade of internet cyberbullying.
    Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!

    I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.

    Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )

    Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
    Agree 100%. This bullying stuff is way off the track of what this thread was supposed To be about. We could just ignore the constant redirect ions to the bullying issue though, and carry on the convo about this legislation and what it's really about, because as a certain someone said, that same someone can't govern the thread unless we let her ... I see it as an attack on people and the press who want to expose politicians for what they really are. And these politicians would rather save their own egos than maintain the integrity of our rghts to express ourselves without recrimination. And that is horrendous to me.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    This is a good read on how to improve The Internet Protection Act. which was created
    to fight cyber bullying

    http://verdict.justia.com/2012/06/01/ho ... erbullying

    Included are bullying of one business to another, basically trying to discredit competition.


    Doesn't seem to be a problem of big bad politicians at all.
    I think the original article leaned towards that fear...
    most do not.
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    norm wrote:
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