Ban 'anonymous' speech online?
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Really? I must have some people's permission thenJeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:
Really? :fp: good griefJeanwah wrote:Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.
Like I said, No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
so you are dismissing emotional abuse in children too?0 -
pandora wrote:
Really? :fp: good griefJeanwah wrote:Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.
How do you know we do NOT have cyberbullies you seem to be the *Love Bully*. Bullying is bullying whichever way one may want to cut it. A *Love Bully* could be offensive to someone else who let's say doesn't want to be loved by the *Love Bully*.
Since this Pearl Jam site's posting guidlines can keep the cyberbullies away why then the need for this proposal/law here or on any other site?
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
pandora wrote:Really? I must have some people's permission then
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.0 -
I guess cause other sites aren't doing it this is a state wide proposal for New York.g under p wrote:pandora wrote:
Really? :fp: good griefJeanwah wrote:Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.
How do you know we do NOT have cyberbullies you seem to be the *Love Bully*. Bullying is bullying whichever way one may want to cut it. A *Love Bully* could be offensive to someone else who let's say doesn't want to be loved by the *Love Bully*.
Since this Pearl Jam site's posting guidlines can keep the cyberbullies away why then the need for this proposal/law here or on any other site?
Peace
Love bullying I just want to Stop The Hate and you want
Peace 0 -
I'm not a victim of cyber bulling or emotional abuse.Jeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:Really? I must have some people's permission then
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
It is not fair for a victim to have to walk away when they are not offending
or breaking any rules or guidelines.
Even here, that is not the case. The offenders who break the rules get a timeout, that is basic.
In school, at work, in real life, there are consequences to breaking rules.
Why should cyber bullying be different?
But what about my question?
Do you dismiss emotional abuse for the children as well?0 -
pandora wrote:
Really? :fp: good griefJeanwah wrote:Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.pandora wrote:
I guess cause other sites aren't doing it this is a state wide proposal for New York.g under p wrote:How do you know we do NOT have cyberbullies you seem to be the *Love Bully*. Bullying is bullying whichever way one may want to cut it. A *Love Bully* could be offensive to someone else who let's say doesn't want to be loved by the *Love Bully*.
Since this Pearl Jam site's posting guidlines can keep the cyberbullies away why then the need for this proposal/law here or on any other site?
Peace
Love bullying I just want to Stop The Hate and you want
Peace
Way too much control given to websites and even more difficulty controlling any cyberbulling behavior. Who knows whomaybe biased to have the need or urgency for this proposal to go forward.
I would feel the very same way if instead from your view ending cyberbulling, I would feel if the word was PEACE. I would not want this proposal to become law.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.0 -
one can speak freely under this proposalnorm wrote:Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
while following the deemed guidelines and rules of the site administrators
Do you feel you have no freedom of speech here norm? that the guidelines remove them?
this proposal wants the same type of respectful guidelines as we have0 -
The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!0 -
Correct in how things work here, this what the proposal is looking for as a rule.Cosmo wrote:The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
This proposal was created for sites that have no guidelines, it encourages guidelines to be made
that are deemed appropriate for and by the administrator.0 -
...Cosmo wrote:The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
ADD: The big difference between moderated sites and this crappy legislation is... the moderators here (and on other Open/Topical Web forums) are not required to post our names and home addresses if some over sensitive, pansie fuck reports us on unfounded allegations of cyber-abuse basedupon subjective messages.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!0 -
pandora wrote:
I'm not a victim of cyber bulling or emotional abuse.Jeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:Really? I must have some people's permission then
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
It is not fair for a victim to have to walk away when they are not offending
or breaking any rules or guidelines.
Even here, that is not the case. The offenders who break the rules get a timeout, that is basic.
In school, at work, in real life, there are consequences to breaking rules.
Why should cyber bullying be different?
But what about my question?
Do you dismiss emotional abuse for the children as well?
This legislation has nothing to with emotional abuse for children.
And I will say it again. You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY. Legislation is not necessary.
Since you claim to be so pro-love, then go out and spread the love rather than support more unnecessary laws. What you are doing is in direct contrast to what you preach.
As I saw on a church billboard: "God prefers kind atheists to hateful Christians."0 -
g under p wrote:
I would feel the very same way if instead from your view ending cyberbulling, I would feel if the word was PEACE. I would not want this proposal to become law.
Peace
And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.0 -
..Jeanwah wrote:And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.
What I learned... because I oppose this legislation, I am a victim hating cyber-bully who is pro-rapist, for child abuse who does not believe that mental cruelty exists.
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I'm kind of an asshole, aren't I?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!0 -
I'm still amazed as to how some people still don't want to open their eyes and see what this is all about. :roll: Still only one blinkered, uninformed (though allegedly researched :? ), histrionic view of a bill, latching on to one word and making a whole drama around this one word to suit a spurious point of view. Oh.. and underhandedly insulting everyone on the way.
In my opinion
Just saying.
To quote norm:
Moving on...... Hopefully by the time this site goes down tomorrow and the new one comes up, this thread will be long forgotten. Though the bill should not and should continue to be opposed!0 -
perhaps that is because we are a private club with paid membership... :fp:Cosmo wrote:
...Cosmo wrote:The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
ADD: The big difference between moderated sites and this crappy legislation is... the moderators here (and on other Open/Topical Web forums) are not required to post our names and home addresses if some over sensitive, pansie fuck reports us on unfounded allegations of cyber-abuse basedupon subjective messages.0 -
That is not true this proposal is to protect all who are abused by cyber bullies including chidren!Jeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:
I'm not a victim of cyber bulling or emotional abuse.Jeanwah wrote:
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
It is not fair for a victim to have to walk away when they are not offending
or breaking any rules or guidelines.
Even here, that is not the case. The offenders who break the rules get a timeout, that is basic.
In school, at work, in real life, there are consequences to breaking rules.
Why should cyber bullying be different?
But what about my question?
Do you dismiss emotional abuse for the children as well?
This legislation has nothing to with emotional abuse for children.
And I will say it again. You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY. Legislation is not necessary.
Since you claim to be so pro-love, then go out and spread the love rather than support more unnecessary laws. What you are doing is in direct contrast to what you preach.
As I saw on a church billboard: "God prefers kind atheists to hateful Christians."
My question came to you because you dismiss and put all the blame on victims...
a chin up attitude.
Do you say this to those who are physically abused by another?
Or do you think those bullies should be punished? Why would this be any different?
You dismiss emotional abuse when it is a very real problem. Why?
And no it is through laws that we protect our people and our society.
Do you feel there shoud be no laws against rape?
One would hope your answer would be of course not.
Emotional abuse has the same effects that rape does on people.
Again research the effects of cyber bullying before you say this proposal
is unnecessary.
Try standing in the shoes of someone who has been traumatized.
This is love... it is feeling and understanding even though one has not experienced it
themselves. It is not a closed mind and heart to what others and are going through.0 -
Why do you oppose legislation that removes none of your rights, removes none of yourCosmo wrote:What I learned... because I oppose this legislation, I am a victim hating cyber-bully who is pro-rapist, for child abuse who does not believe that mental cruelty exists.
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I'm kind of an asshole, aren't I?
privacy that will aid people including children who are being victimized?
Have you read any research?
Have you read any personal accounts of people who have been abused?
Have you educated yourself on the laws already in place?
Do you follow the champaign STOP THE HATE?
Laws like this will be passed eventually because others are doing all this and there will
be those who oppose because they are uninformed and fearful. Some are feeling and
caring what is happening to others and some are not.
Does that make some assholes?
For me no because they know not what they do...
the assholes are the cyber bullies who know exactly what they do!0 -
Jeanwah wrote:g under p wrote:
I would feel the very same way if instead from your view ending cyberbulling, I would feel if the word was PEACE. I would not want this proposal to become law.
Peace
And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.
Right I'm the negative one because I want to spare others pain and suffering
You really need to start feeling this situation ...
read the stories about the victims.
But maybe you are so fearful of laws and the government so much so you will allow
children (I say children because your opinion on adult victims is it is their fault)
to suffer horribly without punishment for the offenders.
This proposal does not even punish the offenders it allows administrators
to have guidelines and to remove posts that are offensive
IF the offender does not want to show themselves. This empowers the victims.
What I have inked in red in your post ...
You do not believe in any laws at all then?
One would hope your answer would be of course not
we need laws to make people aware,
to guide, to control and punish those who bring harm to others,
that is exactly what this proposal is doing.
I guess we certainly don't need anymore environmental laws either then
because that would be negative to control people to save the environnment :fp:Post edited by pandora on0
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