Ban 'anonymous' speech online?

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    That's the thing... it is relative (subjective).
    Anyone can take anything and claim it to be hostile or mean spirited. Because someone takes offense... does that make it a case of 'bullying'? If so, who gets to make the call on that? The moderator, the person who makes the comment or the fucking pansie that finds every little fucking thing offensive and politically incorrect?
    Forcing everyone to say nice shit... does not make everyone nice people.


    Ding, ding, ding!!! Winning post, right here. It's all perspective how we take words written on a page.
    WE no I disagree it is how the victim of cyber bullying takes what is written.

    They are real victims not pansies!

    If this wasn't so sad it would be almost humorous.
    Another person dismissing :fp: this has got to come from not researching what
    is happening to others....

    or ... what else could it be?

    One can only hope I guess that some people will realize the need to help people
    who are being bullied.


    This proposal does this without removing anyone's rights or privacies.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    bindy123 wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    On a positive note, I am thankful that 99% of people in this thread are of the same opinion regarding this proposed law.

    That 1% only takes the other side because it ticks everyone else off... I hope everyone can see this so they don't bother arguing a moot point going forward.


    I would argue that you in fact had the winning post back there...thankfully I saw the wisdom of this post, took your advice and escaped this twilight zone type thread...escape people...and by the way, the winner of an arguement isnt determined by the one who gets the last word in...

    Oh and Jeanwah, that is definately in the top 5 Avatars in the club, really love it

    Thanks Bindy! And you're right; it's time to escape this thread for good.

    I especially like your bolded sentence. :)
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    bindy123 wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    On a positive note, I am thankful that 99% of people in this thread are of the same opinion regarding this proposed law.

    That 1% only takes the other side because it ticks everyone else off... I hope everyone can see this so they don't bother arguing a moot point going forward.


    I would argue that you in fact had the winning post back there...thankfully I saw the wisdom of this post, took your advice and escaped this twilight zone type thread...escape people...

    And by the way Jeanwah, that is definately in the top 5 Avatars in the club, really love it
    You are supporting the fact that I should not debate what I believe in? :fp:

    You do understand this law is very similar to what we have right here.

    That no one gives up their right to free speech or privacy.

    That if a post is made that victimizes another, that victim,upon request,
    can ask for info of the abuser.
    The administrator can ask for this from the abuser,
    the abuser does not have to provide it and then the post is deleted.

    This empowers the victims against the cyber bully.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,242
    Jeanwah wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    On a positive note, I am thankful that 99% of people in this thread are of the same opinion regarding this proposed law.

    That 1% only takes the other side because it ticks everyone else off... I hope everyone can see this so they don't bother arguing a moot point going forward.


    pandora wrote:
    bindy123 wrote:

    I would argue that you in fact had the winning post back there...thankfully I saw the wisdom of this post, took your advice and escaped this twilight zone type thread...escape people...

    And by the way Jeanwah, that is definately in the top 5 Avatars in the club, really love it
    You are supporting the fact that I should not debate what I believe in? :fp:

    You do understand this law is very similar to what we have right here.

    That no one gives up their right to free speech or privacy.

    That if a post is made that victimizes another, that victim,upon request,
    can ask for info of the abuser.
    The administrator can ask for this from the abuser,
    the abuser does not have to provide it and then the post is deleted.

    This empowers the victims against the cyber bully.

    Some of what has transpired in this thread reminds of the lyrics from the 2.gif song LIMELIGHT.

    Amazing.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    g under p wrote:
    Some of what has transpired in this thread reminds of the lyrics from the 2.gif song LIMELIGHT.

    Amazing.

    Peace
    Excellent analogy, Mr. g.

    Hoping to see them in November!
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,242
    hedonist wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    Some of what has transpired in this thread reminds of the lyrics from the 2.gif song LIMELIGHT.

    Amazing.

    Peace
    Excellent analogy, Mr. g.

    Hoping to see them in November!

    Tell me about it, I get moist just thinking about my trip to Tampa in November too. :mrgreen:

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    pandora wrote:
    Idris wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    That's the thing... it is relative (subjective).
    Anyone can take anything and claim it to be hostile or mean spirited. Because someone takes offense... does that make it a case of 'bullying'? If so, who gets to make the call on that? The moderator, the person who makes the comment or the fucking pansie that finds every little fucking thing offensive and politically incorrect?
    Forcing everyone to say nice shit... does not make everyone nice people.

    Yep, 'I couldn't agree more'
    -
    Do I understand in that you are agreeing with the entire statement?

    That victims of cyber abuse are "pansies"?

    I got a different angle on what Cosmo was saying in the 'pansie' line. The point, I think, was that its too hard to determine what precisely is bullying (sometimes). And I think that line suggests that some things said on the internet might be taken in a different context, and a person accused of bullying cant be held liable for another persons misinterpretation of something that was harmless. Kinda like what's going on in this very thread, I think a few people arent on the same page, and interpretation is a grey area.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    JonnyPistachio wrote:

    I got a different angle on what Cosmo was saying in the 'pansie' line. The point, I think, was that its too hard to determine what precisely is bullying (sometimes). And I think that line suggests that some things said on the internet might be taken in a different context, and a person accused of bullying cant be held liable for another persons misinterpretation of something that was harmless. Kinda like what's going on in this very thread, I think a few people arent on the same page, and interpretation is a grey area.
    great post Jonny

    That sometimes is really the answer and with cyber bullying it is clear
    when there is abuse. We are not talking about innuendo.
    We are not talking about off color.
    We are not talking misunderstanding or misinterpretation.

    This proposal wants to bring help like what we have here to victims everywhere.
    A chance to confront a bully with the help of an administrator and if a bully
    does not want this the post is removed. It is meant to be a deterrent
    and it empowers the victims of abuse.

    People are well aware of innuendo and sometimes shocked at off color but
    that is not what the victims of cyber bullying are experiencing.

    Stop the Hate! ... I just heard a great thing on news radio about this.
    It is targeting all bullying as an awareness campaign. It is awesome! :D
  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    Oh, yeah?
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    markin ball wrote:
    Oh, yeah?
    Could be end of the week brain fry, but this response tickled me :mrgreen:
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Pandora,

    what happens to the bully? what happens when they receive more hate mail than they can open? what happens when their identity is stolen because of the information they were told to give up? what happens when the victim decides that since the bully is only 4 hours away by car that they will drive to their house and do something to them. Not everyone who is picked on in forums and the like is going to simply take it sitting down and turn the other cheek. So what happens then? or do we chalk it up to a lesson learned?

    hypotheticals can be brought up all day long to discuss this topic but in the end, the law will not reach its stated course without leaving trouble in its wake.

    you keep talking about fear being the motivator for people who are against this ridiculous proposal...how about common sense? how about looking at past history when people's real information is available on servers (see BoA hack, Wells Fargo hack, PSN hack, etc) the biggest companies in the world are trying to keep this information private and they cannot...are you telling me that AMT is going to have better security than BoA? come on...this is an idea that could be launched with the best intentions, and could possible deter some mean internet posts...but the wake that will be left by it is the very definition of the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

    To me it is about control, but even if I cede the point that it was an honorable attempt, it is still a dangerous over-reaching failure... I realize no one will get you off of your crusade, but don't you think there is the SLIGHTEST chance that the information gathered when a law like this is invoked could be compromised?
    I guess I just ask myself whats worse?...what is the easiest solution?...this isn't even close...

    do you not believe that this could be a privacy issue?
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    :mrgreen:
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited June 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLGJC8J ... 5451E4C4FA

    This is a public service announcement
    With guitar
    Know your rights all three of them

    Number 1
    You have the right not to be killed
    Murder is a CRIME!
    Unless it was done by a
    Policeman or aristocrat
    Know your rights

    And Number 2
    You have the right to food money
    Providing of course you
    Don't mind a little
    Investigation, humiliation
    And if you cross your fingers
    Rehabilitation

    Know your rights
    These are your rights
    Wang

    Know these rights

    Number 3
    You have the right to free
    Speech as long as you're not
    Dumb enough to actually try it.

    Know your rights
    These are your rights
    All three of 'em
    It has been suggested
    In some quarters that this is not enough!
    Well..............................

    Get off the streets
    Get off the streets
    Run
    You don't have a home to go to
    Smush

    Finally then I will read you your rights

    You have the right to remain silent
    You are warned that anything you say
    Can and will be taken down
    And used as evidence against you

    Listen to this
    Run

    pandora wrote:
    That no one gives up their right to free speech or privacy.
    Post edited by Jeanwah on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Pandora,

    what happens to the bully? what happens when they receive more hate mail than they can open? what happens when their identity is stolen because of the information they were told to give up? what happens when the victim decides that since the bully is only 4 hours away by car that they will drive to their house and do something to them. Not everyone who is picked on in forums and the like is going to simply take it sitting down and turn the other cheek. So what happens then? or do we chalk it up to a lesson learned?

    hypotheticals can be brought up all day long to discuss this topic but in the end, the law will not reach its stated course without leaving trouble in its wake.

    you keep talking about fear being the motivator for people who are against this ridiculous proposal...how about common sense? how about looking at past history when people's real information is available on servers (see BoA hack, Wells Fargo hack, PSN hack, etc) the biggest companies in the world are trying to keep this information private and they cannot...are you telling me that AMT is going to have better security than BoA? come on...this is an idea that could be launched with the best intentions, and could possible deter some mean internet posts...but the wake that will be left by it is the very definition of the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

    To me it is about control, but even if I cede the point that it was an honorable attempt, it is still a dangerous over-reaching failure... I realize no one will get you off of your crusade, but don't you think there is the SLIGHTEST chance that the information gathered when a law like this is invoked could be compromised?
    I guess I just ask myself whats worse?...what is the easiest solution?...this isn't even close...

    do you not believe that this could be a privacy issue?
    The bully can choose not to give their info out and the post is deleted.
    The administrator can decide also what is considered bullying as ours do.

    Common sense to me is to not be a cyber bully
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    markin ball wrote:
    Oh, yeah?
    yeah :D
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    pandora wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Pandora,

    what happens to the bully? what happens when they receive more hate mail than they can open? what happens when their identity is stolen because of the information they were told to give up? what happens when the victim decides that since the bully is only 4 hours away by car that they will drive to their house and do something to them. Not everyone who is picked on in forums and the like is going to simply take it sitting down and turn the other cheek. So what happens then? or do we chalk it up to a lesson learned?

    hypotheticals can be brought up all day long to discuss this topic but in the end, the law will not reach its stated course without leaving trouble in its wake.

    you keep talking about fear being the motivator for people who are against this ridiculous proposal...how about common sense? how about looking at past history when people's real information is available on servers (see BoA hack, Wells Fargo hack, PSN hack, etc) the biggest companies in the world are trying to keep this information private and they cannot...are you telling me that AMT is going to have better security than BoA? come on...this is an idea that could be launched with the best intentions, and could possible deter some mean internet posts...but the wake that will be left by it is the very definition of the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

    To me it is about control, but even if I cede the point that it was an honorable attempt, it is still a dangerous over-reaching failure... I realize no one will get you off of your crusade, but don't you think there is the SLIGHTEST chance that the information gathered when a law like this is invoked could be compromised?
    I guess I just ask myself whats worse?...what is the easiest solution?...this isn't even close...

    do you not believe that this could be a privacy issue?
    The bully can choose not to give their info out and the post is deleted.
    The administrator can decide also what is considered bullying as ours do.

    Common sense to me is to not be a cyber bully


    that doesn't answer the question
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Jeanwah wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLGJC8J8zE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0611265451E4C4FA

    This is a public service announcement
    With guitar
    Know your rights all three of them

    Number 1
    You have the right not to be killed
    Murder is a CRIME!
    Unless it was done by a
    Policeman or aristocrat
    Know your rights

    And Number 2
    You have the right to food money
    Providing of course you
    Don't mind a little
    Investigation, humiliation
    And if you cross your fingers
    Rehabilitation

    Know your rights
    These are your rights
    Wang

    Know these rights

    Number 3
    You have the right to free
    Speech as long as you're not
    Dumb enough to actually try it.

    Know your rights
    These are your rights
    All three of 'em
    It has been suggested
    In some quarters that this is not enough!
    Well..............................

    Get off the streets
    Get off the streets
    Run
    You don't have a home to go to
    Smush

    Finally then I will read you your rights

    You have the right to remain silent
    You are warned that anything you say
    Can and will be taken down
    And used as evidence against you

    Listen to this
    Run

    pandora wrote:
    That no one gives up their right to free speech or privacy.

    :thumbup: :thumbup: :mrgreen:
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    norm wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLGJC8J8zE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0611265451E4C4FA

    This is a public service announcement
    With guitar
    Know your rights all three of them

    Number 1
    You have the right not to be killed
    Murder is a CRIME!
    Unless it was done by a
    Policeman or aristocrat
    Know your rights

    And Number 2
    You have the right to food money
    Providing of course you
    Don't mind a little
    Investigation, humiliation
    And if you cross your fingers
    Rehabilitation

    Know your rights
    These are your rights
    Wang

    Know these rights

    Number 3
    You have the right to free
    Speech as long as you're not
    Dumb enough to actually try it.

    Know your rights
    These are your rights
    All three of 'em
    It has been suggested
    In some quarters that this is not enough!
    Well..............................

    Get off the streets
    Get off the streets
    Run
    You don't have a home to go to
    Smush

    Finally then I will read you your rights

    You have the right to remain silent
    You are warned that anything you say
    Can and will be taken down
    And used as evidence against you

    Listen to this
    Run

    pandora wrote:
    That no one gives up their right to free speech or privacy.

    :thumbup: :thumbup: :mrgreen:

    I was @ that show, it was goooood. :D (first few rows middle of eddie and Stone)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,734
    Idris wrote:
    norm wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLGJC8J8zE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0611265451E4C4FA



    :thumbup: :thumbup: :mrgreen:

    I was @ that show, it was goooood. :D (first few rows middle of eddie and Stone)

    I'll third or fourth that:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPeWSpB_7w4
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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