MLB 2025 Season

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Baseball let it happen and quite honestly, every player in baseball should have been taking them.

Do you know some of the side effects of using steroids? :roll:

There's a big difference between greenies and roids. Roids completely changed the record books. Look at the 50+ home run years and how it skyrocketed in the late 90s to early 2000s. Caffeine gives an edge, better physical therapy programs give an edge, protein shakes give an edge, roids changed the game.

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Baseball let it happen and quite honestly, every player in baseball should have been taking them.

Do you know some of the side effects of using steroids? :roll:

There's a big difference between greenies and roids. Roids completely changed the record books. Look at the 50+ home run years and how it skyrocketed in the late 90s to early 2000s. Caffeine gives an edge, better physical therapy programs give an edge, protein shakes give an edge, roids changed the game.

I do, and I don't think they should be part of the game, but if baseball let it happen and it's the difference between making $1 million and $10 million or being a minor leaguer or a major leaguer and baseball was letting it happen, I'd damn sure be taking them.

I hear what you're saying, I just don't get the moral outrage. I wish they were never part of the game, but I don't fault a player for taking them for one second. And don't get me wrong, I tend to like clean players more and think their numbers are more impressive but I don't think anyone should be held out of the HOF for them.

Cliffy6745 wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Baseball let it happen and quite honestly, every player in baseball should have been taking them.

Do you know some of the side effects of using steroids? :roll:

There's a big difference between greenies and roids. Roids completely changed the record books. Look at the 50+ home run years and how it skyrocketed in the late 90s to early 2000s. Caffeine gives an edge, better physical therapy programs give an edge, protein shakes give an edge, roids changed the game.

I do, and I don't think they should be part of the game, but if baseball let it happen and it's the difference between making $1 million and $10 million or being a minor leaguer or a major leaguer and baseball was letting it happen, I'd damn sure be taking them.

I hear what you're saying, I just don't get the moral outrage. I wish they were never part of the game, but I don't fault a player for taking them for one second. And don't get me wrong, I tend to like clean players more and think their numbers are more impressive but I don't think anyone should be held out of the HOF for them.

I agree. spitballs and doctoring baseballs changed the game too. plenty of 'cheaters' have been inducted into the HOF

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Baseball let it happen and quite honestly, every player in baseball should have been taking them.

Do you know some of the side effects of using steroids? :roll:

There's a big difference between greenies and roids. Roids completely changed the record books. Look at the 50+ home run years and how it skyrocketed in the late 90s to early 2000s. Caffeine gives an edge, better physical therapy programs give an edge, protein shakes give an edge, roids changed the game.

I agree.
I'm surprised at how many of the others here are so lax about this. I think roids were way worse than anything else in the history of the game.

I would never take a drug like this and risk screwing up my body to make more money, and be labeled a cheater. I lost all respect for many players over the years.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Baseball let it happen and quite honestly, every player in baseball should have been taking them.

Do you know some of the side effects of using steroids? :roll:

There's a big difference between greenies and roids. Roids completely changed the record books. Look at the 50+ home run years and how it skyrocketed in the late 90s to early 2000s. Caffeine gives an edge, better physical therapy programs give an edge, protein shakes give an edge, roids changed the game.

I agree.
I'm surprised at how many of the others here are so lax about this. I think roids were way worse than anything else in the history of the game.

They were the worst thing. Spitballs did not make the amount of 20 win seasons dramatically rise or ERA suddenly diminish, while roids resulted in home run records being shattered and the number of 50 home run seasons increased astronomicly.

Also, a cheating pitcher did not have every ball effected by a spitball, but every at bat was effected by steroid user. usage.

SVRDhand13 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Do you know some of the side effects of using steroids? :roll:

There's a big difference between greenies and roids. Roids completely changed the record books. Look at the 50+ home run years and how it skyrocketed in the late 90s to early 2000s. Caffeine gives an edge, better physical therapy programs give an edge, protein shakes give an edge, roids changed the game.

I agree.
I'm surprised at how many of the others here are so lax about this. I think roids were way worse than anything else in the history of the game.

They were the worst thing. Spitballs did not make the amount of 20 win seasons dramatically rise or ERA suddenly diminish, while roids resulted in home run records being shattered and the number of 50 home run seasons increased astronomicly.

Also, a cheating pitcher did not have every ball effected by a spitball, but every at bat was effected by steroid user. usage.

if you think steroids were the only reasons for the spike in HRs then you are naive. expansion, balls being more tightly wound, new parks being smaller, advances in training techniques, etc. sure juice had something to do with it, but it was far from the only reason. and ther is still no evidence that juice helps someone hit a baseball

also, pitchers were juicing too. wouldn't that make it harder for players to hit HRs?

people still hung up on the steroid era need to get over it.

The Fixer wrote:

people still hung up on the steroid era need to get over it.

SVRDhand13 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

If I was in the high levels of the minor leagues and thought roids would help me get to the show I would be popping and injecting anything and everything I thought would give me a better shot.

I think it's surprising that more playeres weren't juicing during the 90s/early 00's

100% agree. That's like two things we have agreed on in the past month. What's going on here?

But no one remembers the minor leaguers. We are talking about the biggest stars in the league taking them.

I wonder is Brady Anderson was on roids when he has his 50 home run year .

Of course he was, but so what, baseball allowed it, the media and fans ignored it and fans showed up by the millions. When people talk about him they'll say "oh, he was on steroids" just like they say about Gaylord Perry "oh, he doctored the ball", then they'll move on.

norm, I can't see the picture.