Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mike and jose, it's really nothing different than what a lot of us have been saying for 3 years now on this forum. this is just striking to me because it is conservatives from conservative organizations pointing the finger squarely at their own party. and it was done in a professional, matter of fact, and at times an eloquent manner. it is scathing, but sometimes when we look in the mirror we have to be honest and unmerciful, and that is what these two guys did. and that to me is really admirable.

    Don't think for a second b/c someone points out Obama's failings that they don't also see the Republican's failures. The point is - Obama needs to go. Is Romney better? Meh. But, I know the disaster we have. I know I have dirty bath water, I'll get rid of it. Worst case, I have new dirty bath water.

    Further, if anything, Romney is more liberal than Republicans would like. As a conservative myself, I'm not totally enamored with either choice. And, yes, Congress needs to be cleaned up. We need to stop pandering to special interests (i.e. SPENDING) on BOTH sides and start doing what is right for the country.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mike and jose, it's really nothing different than what a lot of us have been saying for 3 years now on this forum. this is just striking to me because it is conservatives from conservative organizations pointing the finger squarely at their own party. and it was done in a professional, matter of fact, and at times an eloquent manner. it is scathing, but sometimes when we look in the mirror we have to be honest and unmerciful, and that is what these two guys did. and that to me is really admirable.


    I realize that many have been saying it...but I think what they are neglecting to acknowledge is the existence of a loud group called neo-conservatives. That is where I get frustrated when people blame conservatives. There are many kinds. a straight-line spectrum of measurement lumps together too many things. I don't think I have ever argued that neo-conservatives aren't a problem. It is an interesting issue right now for me...I like that politicians are finally making stands...but on the flip side, they aren't really taking a stand on principle...they are taking a stand on despising the other side. But it is a strange existence. I don't think these guys are limiting it to 3 years however, as Tobias said "I don't want to blame it all on 9/11 but it certainly didn't help." The mutated patriotism that grew out of that ground zero has ruined the republican party. It was always heading that way I suppose, but it sped it up about 100 years. But a good thing has happened since these dopes took over the party...people are finally looking for a viability of a 3rd party. People want one. People want a socially liberal fiscally conservative party and the longer the neo-cons squeeze out every other type of conservative from the party the closer we are to getting a real 3rd party.
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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mike and jose, it's really nothing different than what a lot of us have been saying for 3 years now on this forum. this is just striking to me because it is conservatives from conservative organizations pointing the finger squarely at their own party. and it was done in a professional, matter of fact, and at times an eloquent manner. it is scathing, but sometimes when we look in the mirror we have to be honest and unmerciful, and that is what these two guys did. and that to me is really admirable.


    I realize that many have been saying it...but I think what they are neglecting to acknowledge is the existence of a loud group called neo-conservatives. That is where I get frustrated when people blame conservatives. There are many kinds. a straight-line spectrum of measurement lumps together too many things. I don't think I have ever argued that neo-conservatives aren't a problem. It is an interesting issue right now for me...I like that politicians are finally making stands...but on the flip side, they aren't really taking a stand on principle...they are taking a stand on despising the other side. But it is a strange existence. I don't think these guys are limiting it to 3 years however, as Tobias said "I don't want to blame it all on 9/11 but it certainly didn't help." The mutated patriotism that grew out of that ground zero has ruined the republican party. It was always heading that way I suppose, but it sped it up about 100 years. But a good thing has happened since these dopes took over the party...people are finally looking for a viability of a 3rd party. People want one. People want a socially liberal fiscally conservative party and the longer the neo-cons squeeze out every other type of conservative from the party the closer we are to getting a real 3rd party.

    The bold and red is an excellent point that, I feel, doesn't get mentioned enough. We are living in the post 9-11 world, and this has affected almost every aspect of our political structure.
    And, you make some very good points about the Repub party.

    Also, Gimmie, that was a great op-ed, and this: "it is scathing, but sometimes when we look in the mirror we have to be honest and unmerciful, and that is what these two guys did. and that to me is really admirable" is an excellent point.
    I think inlet13, in my thread on obesity/unhealthy living, talked about deflecting blame and the decline of personal responsibility. All of these ideas should be in the public discourse.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,087
    whygohome wrote:
    The bold and red is an excellent point that, I feel, doesn't get mentioned enough. We are living in the post 9-11 world, and this has affected almost every aspect of our political structure.
    And, you make some very good points about the Repub party.

    Also, Gimmie, that was a great op-ed, and this: "it is scathing, but sometimes when we look in the mirror we have to be honest and unmerciful, and that is what these two guys did. and that to me is really admirable" is an excellent point.
    I think inlet13, in my thread on obesity/unhealthy living, talked about deflecting blame and the decline of personal responsibility. All of these ideas should be in the public discourse.
    seriously though. how can you make a change in your party if you fail to acknowledge that there is a problem? that is why most alcoholics never get treatment and they never get better because they do not recognize their drinking as a problem. i am sure that this op-ed is going to get buried and the suggestions made in it will go unheeded though :x
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