So goes the Farm..

whygohome · April 2012

mikepegg44 wrote:

whygohome wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

couldn't agree more about the media, doesn't even need to be mainstream.
and it is important to gather multiple sources. But from my reading, that I wouldn't be able to hire my neighbors 14 year old who has been doing jobs on his family farm to do so on mine even though he wants to... That seems strange to me.
but it will go ignored...and the dept of labor gets to say they did something even though I doubt they ever enforce these rules until an accident happens
But then again, I think there are child labor laws, while well meaning, that aren't completely necessary...

Good point about the media. "Alternative" news sources can be more harmful as they are not filtered in the way that some mainstream media outlets are. Any idiot with a bias or an agenda can start an online "news" website or a blog. it's up to the people to be able to sift through the b.s......but, they can't, unfortunately. Why not?

I agree with your sentiment on child labor laws. Many of them are arcane and harken back to a time with no regulation, thus the need for regulation. I hope I am clear with that statement.

And yes, the inability to hire your neighbor to do work on your farm is b.s., but I look at it as a casualty of broader laws meant to help those who do not know and/or trust their employers.

definitely a fine line to walk that is for sure.

but to me this just seems like doing something for the sake of doing something. I hate that.

I know the laws mean well, I would just rather allow those that do things responsibly to be able to do them even though some can't...but I feel that way about most things...

Your point in bold highlights an unfortunate reality: laws are made (and passed) to ensure that those who are irresponsible--the minority of the public--do not harm or hinder the progress of those that are responsible.
See: anti-texting and driving laws; marijuana laws; drunk driving laws, etc, etc, etc.

As my friend once said: "the cattle need an electric fence."

Prince Of Dorkness · April 2012

Godfather. wrote:

where will it end with the government saving people from their own stupidity ?

The age of about 16, I think. We make parents protect their kids. We make them use child seats in cars, we make them ensure their children are fed and housed and protected and educated. The government keeps them from using things like cars until they're of a age we feel it's safe for them and the people around them. We don't let them drink until they're 21. How is it we think it's OK to prohibit children from drinking or smoking or driving but OK to allow them to use and operate machinery that could kill, maim them or someone else?

you your self claim to be a victim of the government saving people from them selfs don't you ?

Godfather.

Um.. no. I don't think I've ever said anything even remotely approaching that. I have no idea what you mean at all.

Prince Of Dorkness · April 2012

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

Yeah I'd rather my kid engage in or produce gay porn :roll: And furthermore I thought you guys liked farm animals or is it rodents like gerbils? :?

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with the first part. I don't allow kids anywhere near the set, I'm active with the ASACP (that's an anti-child porn group) and my home office is in a building separate from my house and no one other than me has the key. The kids are not allowed anywhere near it.

As far as the second part goes, while I'm sure you think you're clever for suggesting that gay men are into beastiality, that says a lot more about you than anything else.

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

You call that gay bashing? Pftttttttt yeah ok dude.. Notice how it's ok for pod to attack families and kids that work on farms but as soon as I point out his lifestyle and yes they do put mice and gerbils in their body cavities.. I get accused of bashing :roll:

If my saying we should protect children from being expected to do dangerous jobs is "attacking" a farmer family, I'd hate to see your version of supporting them.

However...

1) being gay is not a "life style"

2) what the fuck are you talking about? nobody puts mice or gerbils into their body cavities. That came from a gay porn comedy magazine from the 80s.

Why... are you reading gay porn magazines from the 80s?

you know you can get that on the internet now, right?

brianlux · April 2012

BinauralJam wrote:

i actaully agree with your point of veiw when it comes to farms, but yes that was gay bashing. Dude

I totally agree. And HTF did we get from farms to gay bashing anyway?

As far as farms go, I think they're like any place- some are educating and nurturing, some are destructive and harmful. But wild lands- even the most inhospitable have something good to offer.

Prince Of Dorkness · April 2012

brianlux wrote:

I totally agree. And HTF did we get from farms to gay bashing anyway?

Meh. It's probably my fault. I do tend to rile them up sometimes.

anyway... you're right that some farms are great and some are no place for kids.

While I'm sure that there are plenty of farms that are totally safe for kids to work, I'm thinking that the people making a big stink about this are kinda exaggerating the whole thing. Much like the "Obama supports the terrorists" because he opposed off-shore drilling.

brianlux · April 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I totally agree. And HTF did we get from farms to gay bashing anyway?

Meh. It's probably my fault. I do tend to rile them up sometimes.

anyway... you're right that some farms are great and some are no place for kids.

While I'm sure that there are plenty of farms that are totally safe for kids to work, I'm thinking that the people making a big stink about this are kinda exaggerating the whole thing. Much like the "Obama supports the terrorists" because he opposed off-shore drilling.

Absolutely! So much gets exaggerated these days. Keeps the train busy, I guess.

Godfather. · April 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

where will it end with the government saving people from their own stupidity ?

The age of about 16, I think. We make parents protect their kids. We make them use child seats in cars, we make them ensure their children are fed and housed and protected and educated. The government keeps them from using things like cars until they're of a age we feel it's safe for them and the people around them. We don't let them drink until they're 21. How is it we think it's OK to prohibit children from drinking or smoking or driving but OK to allow them to use and operate machinery that could kill, maim them or someone else?

you your self claim to be a victim of the government saving people from them selfs don't you ?

Godfather.

Um.. no. I don't think I've ever said anything even remotely approaching that. I have no idea what you mean at all.

the age of 16 ? oki doki.
and the second part I was refering to governmental laws and restrictions concerning gay rights you usally bring up.

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness · April 2012

Godfather. wrote:

and the second part I was refering to governmental laws and restrictions concerning gay rights you usally bring up.

Godfather.

I knew what you were talking about, professor Hawking, but I don't think I've ever said that prop8 was about protecting me from myself.

Kat · April 2012

So much intolerance in this thread. It's worthy of being closed while it's read completely. Then I'll know if everyone followed the Posting Guidelines.

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