Are Women Happier Post-Sexual Revolution?
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Interesting article by Mary Eberstadt on the subject in wsj today:
Has the Sexual Revolution Been Good for Women? No
Spring came early to most of the 50 states this year—and with it, at least in the political fields, the usual crop of mixed truths, untruths, and wildly growing falsehoods. Let's yank up one of those weeds for a little
It's an ideological whopper that demands more scrutiny than it has so far gotten, because underneath it are solid rocks of myth concerning what are called the "social issues." Let's turn over a few of these to see what facts they hide.
Myth No. 1: The "war on women" consists of tyrannical men arrayed against oppressed but pluckily united women.
In the first place, womankind, bless her fickle heart, is not exactly united on…anything.
Public opinion polls show women to be roughly evenly divided on the question of abortion. This same diversity of opinion was also manifest in the arguments over the proposed new federal mandate forcing employers to pay for birth control, including abortifacients.
[ReviewcoverNO] © Charles Gatewood/The Image Works
It seems difficult to argue that the results of the revolution have been a slam-dunk for happiness.
Over 20,000 women, from all walks of life, signed an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius objecting to the federal mandate. Co-written by lawyers Helen Alvare and Kim Daniels, that letter alone answered the taunting question of supporters of the measure, "Where are the women?" The answer: in impressive numbers on the opposite side of the dispute.
Other leaders hailing from the XX side of the chromosome gap also took public stands against the mandate, including politicians, pundits, professors, editors and authors who don't seem to have gotten the message that they are victims in all this. They considered the unexpected federal fiat a violation of religious liberty and individual conscience, but they didn't think these wrongs had anything to do with themselves qua women. Many men shared their view.
Myth No. 2: If it weren't for the Catholic Church, no one would be talking about contraception anyway.
It is not only a series of popes but also a number of prominent secular thinkers who believe that the birth-control pill has been one of the major milestones in human history—a diverse group that runs from public intellectuals of a previous generation like Walter Lippmann to such contemporary scholars as Francis Fukuyama and Robert Putnam. As many pundits had occasion to observe in 2010, the 50th anniversary of the pill, it is hard to think of anything else that has changed life so quickly and dramatically for so many.
In other words, this isn't just a Catholic thing. In severing sex from procreation, humankind set into motion forces that have by now shaped and reshaped almost every aspect of life in the Western world. Families are smaller, birthrates have dropped, divorce and out-of-wedlock births have soared. Demography has now even started to work against the modern welfare state, which has become harder to sustain as fewer children have been produced to replace aging parents.
The sexual revolution has transformed economics, culture and law. Witness this week's Supreme Court case, in which the question at hand is whether an individual's Social Security survivor benefits belong to children conceived with his sperm months after he died.
Even on the religious playing field, this isn't just a Catholic thing. Christian teaching against artificial contraception dates back to the earliest Church fathers confronting pagan Rome. Christians remained united on that teaching until relatively recently—1930, to be exact, which is the year that the Anglican Communion made its first, carefully circumscribed exceptions to the rule. Orthodox Jews, Mormons and some traditionalist Protestants have also pondered the issue and ended up proscribing or limiting contraception in different circumstances.
Which brings us to
Myth No. 3: The "social issues" are unwanted artifacts of a primitive religious past that will eventually just fade away.
To the contrary. What we know as the "social issues"—abortion, gay marriage and the rest—are here to stay, and we'll be dealing with them for generations to come. In fact, one might even predict that these vexing issues will outlast almost every other controversy burning today.
That's because they cannot be resolved until the legacy of the sexual revolution has been settled in the Western mind—and this certainly includes the question of whether it has been a good thing or a bad thing. Judging by the state of much current commentary, we've only just begun down that road.
This brings us to
Myth No. 4, which is perhaps the most interesting one of all: The sexual revolution has made women happier.
Granted, happiness is a personal, imponderable thing. But if the sexual revolution has really made women as happy as feminists say, a few elementary questions beg to be answered.
Why do the pages of our tonier magazines brim with mournful titles like "The Case for Settling" and "The End of Men"? Why do websites run by and for women focus so much on men who won't grow up, and ooze such despair about relations between the sexes?
Why do so many accomplished women simply give up these days and decide to have children on their own, sometimes using anonymous sperm donors, thus creating the world's first purposely fatherless children? What of the fact, widely reported earlier this week, that 26% of American women are on some kind of mental-health medication for anxiety and depression and related problems?
Or how about what is known in sociology as "the paradox of declining female happiness"? Using 35 years of data from the General Social Survey, two Wharton School economists, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers, made the case in 2009 that women's happiness appeared to be declining over time despite their advances in the work force and education.
The authors noted that women (and men) showed declining happiness during the years studied. Though they were careful not to draw conclusions from their data, is it not reasonable to think that at least some of that discontent comes from the feeling that the grass is greener elsewhere—a feeling made plausible by the sexual revolution?
However one looks at the situation, it seems difficult to argue that the results of the revolution have been a slam-dunk for happiness.
It is always hard to disentangle the weeds from the plants in such a large field. But if the sexual revolution has made women so happy, we can at least ask what it would look like for them to be unhappy. A broader inquiry might yield some results worth thinking about, in contrast to the shortsighted political theatrics over a supposed "war on women."
A version of this article appeared Mar. 24, 2012, on page C1 in some U.S. editions of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Has the Sexual Revolution Been Good for Women? No.
Has the Sexual Revolution Been Good for Women? No
Spring came early to most of the 50 states this year—and with it, at least in the political fields, the usual crop of mixed truths, untruths, and wildly growing falsehoods. Let's yank up one of those weeds for a little
It's an ideological whopper that demands more scrutiny than it has so far gotten, because underneath it are solid rocks of myth concerning what are called the "social issues." Let's turn over a few of these to see what facts they hide.
Myth No. 1: The "war on women" consists of tyrannical men arrayed against oppressed but pluckily united women.
In the first place, womankind, bless her fickle heart, is not exactly united on…anything.
Public opinion polls show women to be roughly evenly divided on the question of abortion. This same diversity of opinion was also manifest in the arguments over the proposed new federal mandate forcing employers to pay for birth control, including abortifacients.
[ReviewcoverNO] © Charles Gatewood/The Image Works
It seems difficult to argue that the results of the revolution have been a slam-dunk for happiness.
Over 20,000 women, from all walks of life, signed an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius objecting to the federal mandate. Co-written by lawyers Helen Alvare and Kim Daniels, that letter alone answered the taunting question of supporters of the measure, "Where are the women?" The answer: in impressive numbers on the opposite side of the dispute.
Other leaders hailing from the XX side of the chromosome gap also took public stands against the mandate, including politicians, pundits, professors, editors and authors who don't seem to have gotten the message that they are victims in all this. They considered the unexpected federal fiat a violation of religious liberty and individual conscience, but they didn't think these wrongs had anything to do with themselves qua women. Many men shared their view.
Myth No. 2: If it weren't for the Catholic Church, no one would be talking about contraception anyway.
It is not only a series of popes but also a number of prominent secular thinkers who believe that the birth-control pill has been one of the major milestones in human history—a diverse group that runs from public intellectuals of a previous generation like Walter Lippmann to such contemporary scholars as Francis Fukuyama and Robert Putnam. As many pundits had occasion to observe in 2010, the 50th anniversary of the pill, it is hard to think of anything else that has changed life so quickly and dramatically for so many.
In other words, this isn't just a Catholic thing. In severing sex from procreation, humankind set into motion forces that have by now shaped and reshaped almost every aspect of life in the Western world. Families are smaller, birthrates have dropped, divorce and out-of-wedlock births have soared. Demography has now even started to work against the modern welfare state, which has become harder to sustain as fewer children have been produced to replace aging parents.
The sexual revolution has transformed economics, culture and law. Witness this week's Supreme Court case, in which the question at hand is whether an individual's Social Security survivor benefits belong to children conceived with his sperm months after he died.
Even on the religious playing field, this isn't just a Catholic thing. Christian teaching against artificial contraception dates back to the earliest Church fathers confronting pagan Rome. Christians remained united on that teaching until relatively recently—1930, to be exact, which is the year that the Anglican Communion made its first, carefully circumscribed exceptions to the rule. Orthodox Jews, Mormons and some traditionalist Protestants have also pondered the issue and ended up proscribing or limiting contraception in different circumstances.
Which brings us to
Myth No. 3: The "social issues" are unwanted artifacts of a primitive religious past that will eventually just fade away.
To the contrary. What we know as the "social issues"—abortion, gay marriage and the rest—are here to stay, and we'll be dealing with them for generations to come. In fact, one might even predict that these vexing issues will outlast almost every other controversy burning today.
That's because they cannot be resolved until the legacy of the sexual revolution has been settled in the Western mind—and this certainly includes the question of whether it has been a good thing or a bad thing. Judging by the state of much current commentary, we've only just begun down that road.
This brings us to
Myth No. 4, which is perhaps the most interesting one of all: The sexual revolution has made women happier.
Granted, happiness is a personal, imponderable thing. But if the sexual revolution has really made women as happy as feminists say, a few elementary questions beg to be answered.
Why do the pages of our tonier magazines brim with mournful titles like "The Case for Settling" and "The End of Men"? Why do websites run by and for women focus so much on men who won't grow up, and ooze such despair about relations between the sexes?
Why do so many accomplished women simply give up these days and decide to have children on their own, sometimes using anonymous sperm donors, thus creating the world's first purposely fatherless children? What of the fact, widely reported earlier this week, that 26% of American women are on some kind of mental-health medication for anxiety and depression and related problems?
Or how about what is known in sociology as "the paradox of declining female happiness"? Using 35 years of data from the General Social Survey, two Wharton School economists, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers, made the case in 2009 that women's happiness appeared to be declining over time despite their advances in the work force and education.
The authors noted that women (and men) showed declining happiness during the years studied. Though they were careful not to draw conclusions from their data, is it not reasonable to think that at least some of that discontent comes from the feeling that the grass is greener elsewhere—a feeling made plausible by the sexual revolution?
However one looks at the situation, it seems difficult to argue that the results of the revolution have been a slam-dunk for happiness.
It is always hard to disentangle the weeds from the plants in such a large field. But if the sexual revolution has made women so happy, we can at least ask what it would look like for them to be unhappy. A broader inquiry might yield some results worth thinking about, in contrast to the shortsighted political theatrics over a supposed "war on women."
A version of this article appeared Mar. 24, 2012, on page C1 in some U.S. editions of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Has the Sexual Revolution Been Good for Women? No.
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I asked my wife about how she feels about this. She believes that some women have benefited from the women's movement but certainly not all. She doesn't see that the expectations around women- who they are, what has expected of them has changed- that it's still most often expected of women to take care of the household and kids. In fact she believes women are almost obligated to have a career and take care of the kids and household. She also believes that women do not yet fully have equal opportunity in jobs and careers as men do.
From what she says I'm led to believe that maybe the term "post-sexual revolution" is not all that accurate- that changes are still needed.
I'd like to know what do other ladies here think about all this."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Not all men but most…….
As I see it, women have taken on more responsibility while men are taking less responsibility. Women do it all while the majority of men work (if they even work a steady job) and when work is over they are off for the day. A woman’s work is never done. There are men who will not date a woman if she cannot support herself, because they are not man enough to take care of there women and children. If men would step up or should I say Grow Up! (Before the age of 35) That would make women happier.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
I'm always interested in hearing points of view on this subject. I mean a lot of folks thought there were zero negatives with more women entering the work place during the sexual revolution. The truth is, whether one wants to admit it or not, there may have been just as many negatives as positives..... for both men and women.
For women:
I've seen first hand examples of women who want to be home with their child, but simply can't afford to be. A lot figure out a way to do so, others hesitantly continue to work feeling enormous amounts of guilt (this is how it was expressed to me, not my thoughts).
For men:
The more men AND women in the workforce, the greater the supply of labor. The greater the supply of labor, holding all else equal, the lower the "REAL" wages (real = inflation adjusted). That's why this transition also effected men, and families.
Then, on top of this, those women that both work and are parents, tend to take on the majority of the child care once home (as aerial pointed out).
So in total,...
Real wages sank, forcing both men and women into the workforce. Single family incomes have been replaced in a lot of ways with dual family incomes. Making the push back to single family is very often extremely difficult.
It's simply my opinion, but I actually think things could be conceivably better for all parities (women, men and children) involved in families pre-sexual revolution.Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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aerial wrote:Not all men but most…….
As I see it, women have taken on more responsibility while men are taking less responsibility. Women do it all while the majority of men work (if they even work a steady job) and when work is over they are off for the day. A woman’s work is never done. There are men who will not date a woman if she cannot support herself, because they are not man enough to take care of there women and children. If men would step up or should I say Grow Up! (Before the age of 35) That would make women happier.
This shit makes me so angry.
In my house I take care of kids in the morning, give baths at night, put kids to bed, cook meals, and of course work full-time. All my friends who have kids are also very active fathers. No, NOT MOST MEN. You're just perpetuating lazy stereotypes.
Damn why did I open this silly thread based on a WSJ editorial (not even worth my reading)? :roll:
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In general people don't seem to be as happy as previous generations
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I would add more hear except a) I'd like to hear more of what the ladies here have to say and b) my wife asked we to wash the dishes and, what the heck, I like being domestic! She's happy, I'm happy."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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I wasn't around pre-sexual revolution, so I have no personal basis of comparison as a woman. Plus, I think happiness is subjective and relative.
Growing up, my mom stayed at home until my sister and I were close to our teens, and my dad did just as much - if not more - around the house. The mentality of "woman's" or "men's" work wasn't something I saw my parents living their lives by, and thankfully so.
In our home now, I'm typically the one who does the marketing, dishes, meal preparation, etc. But he does a shitload as well - it's all give and take, sharing the lighter and heavier burdens of life.
So yeah...me, I'm basically happy
(ps...I know many men like Mr. Abruzzo here; generalizing on this issue is so unfair, and insulting to boot)0 -
I'm not sure, but just on the surface my thoughts are: I wasn't alive during the sexual revolution. My mom has had a job since I was about 6 years old up until she retired. From what I understand (statistically speaking), men still make more on average than women, even for the same position. Lastly, I always have, and always will, prefer to be able to take care of myself because men with whom I have been involved (including my ex-husband) cannot be depended upon to 'take care of things' (which includes such mundane, and historically male-inclined tasks such as checking the oil on the girl's car). My dad is from the 'old' generation--and in my adult life I have yet to meet a man who takes care of things like he did for 30 years.0
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As a woman, I certainly agree with some points made in the article BUT how is the author measuring happiness? Based on research from previous generations? Did anyone ever ask those women if they were happy? Probably not, the assumption was that of course they were happy, they were doing what they were placed on this earth to do - stay at home and take care of the kids. To address another point that has come up, I think some men do help out around the house. I know my husband does BUT I usually have to ask him to help do the dishes or the laundry or any number of "womanly" duties. Not that he ever phrases it that way and I am certain he doesn't think of it that way but we were both brought up by stay at home moms and there were very clearly defined roles for both so I think we both fall into that trap of "woman's" work and "man's" work. I know I am working hard to ensure both my children can do all the chores around the house. For me I am definitely better off than my mother. I think many women of previous generations were trapped by circumstance and had few options other than to follow the traditional path. I admire the women who stay home with their children but I think the better question should be, what does a woman WANT to do? And we shouldn't be made to feel guilty for those choices. I am a much better mother because I gain extreme satisfaction from my career and my kids benefit from that happiness. Not knocking the choices of other women but that is what I always wanted. It's hard but I prioritize and try to ignore what "society" tells me I should do/be/feel. Not that it is easy to do that!Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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How do you measure happiness? Are people in general more unhappy these days, or is it just more people seeking help, so numbers go up? Same goes for divorce rates, having children and the likes - women now have that choice, they did not before, so rates are bound to go down.
Second, how is it always the women that have to give up their careers, discard their hard-earned education and are frowned upon if they work while their kids are small? My mum went back to work quite soon, my dad stayed home with me, which was outrageous in 1986 and still seems to be so for a lot of people nowadays. They still to the day split chores evenly, with each doing what he/she prefers and is better at. I plan to follow that example when living together with someone.
So yeah, I for one am happier. I like being able to have sex without immediately having to procreate with the guy. I like not being financially dependent on someone. I like being regarded as an equal. We're not fully there yet (e.g. wage differences), but a lot has been achieved.
And I'm not getting into gay marriage now, but any kind of religious group needs to separate between marriage as a civil union between two people, granting each other certain rights and benefits, and marriage as whatever religious sacrament they believe it to be. The former should not be affected in whatever believes you hold about the latter. And hooray for the Catholic Church - when I want an opinion on marriage and if I should have kids or not, a club of celibate old men is surely the first instance I'd turn to.0 -
I wasn't born until '68 so I wasn't around pre-sexual revolution. hard to say if I'd be happier.
In general the sexual revolution brought sex and the going's-on of sex in into the open, open, public forums and discussion of things that had not been discussed. I think most people are happier in that they can pursue what they like and not feel like it's bad or not accepted. ( generally speaking)
maybe divorce is up because people don't have the "that's the way it is, suck it up, 'till death do we part". a movie I watched "a boy's life" made 20 yrs ago, deniro, barkin, decapri. a couple dated, no sex prior, when they got hitched and getting to the hibbity part, he rolls her over and some discussion ensues about the position of the act. "he says you can have it doggy style or on the side, but that's it! I don't like face-to-face." wow.
on the flipside, I think people maybe are too quick to split, to look outside of marriage instead of inward, for self-growth.
everytime there is movement or growth towards the future, a little bit of the past is lost. a bit of the tradition is lost, but in the end it should be for the greater growth of everyone.
I think most people are happier. I'm a woman and it's hard for me to imagine not talking about something that makes me feel a certain way. why women are having children without men? aren't there men out there, more commonly now, getting custody of the children? in past decades, it was uncommon for a father to have custody vs. the mother.
I know homosexual people are probably happier.
it opened the doors for all sexes to be more open about their feelings. way back when it was frowned upon for a man to show emotions. that's not healthy, just bottle them up and let them fester into a ulcer?
I think the sexual revolution had to happen for a balance to be re-established in our humanity. maybe it wasn't balanced when it first happened, but overall I think it was a good thing for humanity.
you asked, I'm a girl.
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I think the author should be applauded for asking the question. Moreover, at least she took a stab at answering the question and did say that happiness is a "personal, imponderable thing" - implying it's relative; so she thinks there's really no definitive answer. No sure if everyone posting here read that part.
Anyway, I think the answer of having a "choice" is certainly best for women. No doubt. However, I think there's a flip-side too. Riotgrl pointed out the one side, which showed she enjoys her work and her children benefit from that arrangement. That's awesome. But, how about the women who HAVE to work (and hire day care), and the children are not only away more from their Mom but they lose in that situation because the Mom's also unhappy. I think the amount of women who do that is not as small as some may think. That's the flip-side. Real choice says - some women may prefer the option of being a stay at home Mom, which is harder today than it was back then. That's certainly a constraint on the ability to choose that scenario. In some cases, it's not possible. That's kinda my (and the author's) point... I believe.Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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amethgr8 wrote:I wasn't born until '68 so I wasn't around pre-sexual revolution. hard to say if I'd be happier.
In general the sexual revolution brought sex and the going's-on of sex in into the open, open, public forums and discussion of things that had not been discussed. I think most people are happier in that they can pursue what they like and not feel like it's bad or not accepted. ( generally speaking)
maybe divorce is up because people don't have the "that's the way it is, suck it up, 'till death do we part". a movie I watched "a boy's life" made 20 yrs ago, deniro, barkin, decapri. a couple dated, no sex prior, when they got hitched and getting to the hibbity part, he rolls her over and some discussion ensues about the position of the act. "he says you can have it doggy style or on the side, but that's it! I don't like face-to-face." wow.
on the flipside, I think people maybe are too quick to split, to look outside of marriage instead of inward, for self-growth.
everytime there is movement or growth towards the future, a little bit of the past is lost. a bit of the tradition is lost, but in the end it should be for the greater growth of everyone.
I think most people are happier. I'm a woman and it's hard for me to imagine not talking about something that makes me feel a certain way. why women are having children without men? aren't there men out there, more commonly now, getting custody of the children? in past decades, it was uncommon for a father to have custody vs. the mother.
I know homosexual people are probably happier.
it opened the doors for all sexes to be more open about their feelings. way back when it was frowned upon for a man to show emotions. that's not healthy, just bottle them up and let them fester into a ulcer?
I think the sexual revolution had to happen for a balance to be re-established in our humanity. maybe it wasn't balanced when it first happened, but overall I think it was a good thing for humanity.
you asked, I'm a girl.
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inlet13 wrote:I think the author should be applauded for asking the question. Moreover, at least she took a stab at answering the question and did say that happiness is a "personal, imponderable thing" - implying it's relative; so she thinks there's really no definitive answer. No sure if everyone posting here read that part.
I know that the author states that, but to have the title be what it is, suggests otherwise and is used to get a reader to read the article. I thought the article is pretty weak, it's an opinion piece, it pigeon holed women, and mentions a sociological study about women's happiness. Well, where do men fare? Because it is only focused on one gender, and from the way it was written, it isn't objective. Especially even suggesting that happiness has anything to do with a greater issue, when it is a personal and internal feeling, not external as the article suggests (except for that one small sentence). I just think it's a poor piece of writing, not to mention negative.0 -
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I didn't care for the article either.
In retrospect it's easier to see the fuller benefit of the sexual revolution for all sexes and sexual orientation. At the time, and I'm just estimating, it seemed like it was all about women. Because women were doing things not typically done, or enjoyed due to perceived standards of behavior.
I think happiness is internal.
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Jeanwah wrote:inlet13 wrote:I think the author should be applauded for asking the question. Moreover, at least she took a stab at answering the question and did say that happiness is a "personal, imponderable thing" - implying it's relative; so she thinks there's really no definitive answer. No sure if everyone posting here read that part.
I know that the author states that, but to have the title be what it is, suggests otherwise and is used to get a reader to read the article. I thought the article is pretty weak, it's an opinion piece, it pigeon holed women, and mentions a sociological study about women's happiness. Well, where do men fare? Because it is only focused on one gender, and from the way it was written, it isn't objective. Especially even suggesting that happiness has anything to do with a greater issue, when it is a personal and internal feeling, not external as the article suggests (except for that one small sentence). I just think it's a poor piece of writing, not to mention negative.
I kind of thought so as well, Jeanwah. Is it just me or is it also a little odd to be reading an article on women's studies in the WSJ? By odd I mean a bit odd the way it would be to read about aircraft manufacturing in Vegetarian Times."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Jeanwah wrote:inlet13 wrote:I think the author should be applauded for asking the question. Moreover, at least she took a stab at answering the question and did say that happiness is a "personal, imponderable thing" - implying it's relative; so she thinks there's really no definitive answer. No sure if everyone posting here read that part.
I know that the author states that, but to have the title be what it is, suggests otherwise and is used to get a reader to read the article. I thought the article is pretty weak, it's an opinion piece, it pigeon holed women, and mentions a sociological study about women's happiness. Well, where do men fare? Because it is only focused on one gender, and from the way it was written, it isn't objective. Especially even suggesting that happiness has anything to do with a greater issue, when it is a personal and internal feeling, not external as the article suggests (except for that one small sentence). I just think it's a poor piece of writing, not to mention negative.
It is an opinion piece. But, I don't see how one couldn't understand that from the article's title where she poses a question and answers it with a "no". Perhaps you confused the thread title with the article title?
Do you think it's poor writing just because you typically don't agree with the wsj's take?
As for your question on men - I think she'd say they fare worse. So, in a sense, both sexes could be considered worse off. But, that's my thoughts on what the author would say.Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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amethgr8 wrote:avatar is from the New Orleans show with the Ramones in 1995.
Looks like the San Fran show I wen to when Ed got sick.amethgr8 wrote:I didn't care for the article either.
In retrospect it's easier to see the fuller benefit of the sexual revolution for all sexes and sexual orientation. At the time, and I'm just estimating, it seemed like it was all about women. Because women were doing things not typically done, or enjoyed due to perceived standards of behavior.
I think happiness is internal.
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Happiness is internal, obviously. But, that doesn't mean one can't try to say X, Y or Z often increases happiness.Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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I'm with Jeanwah the article sucked, poorly researched (one article about an ancillary thing that was loosely tied in, but served as the main premise seriously?), and seemed more to pull at one's emotions either way rather than produce any active thought. I mean there are plenty of other things to look at in terms of real wages stagnating than blaming women in the work place. Wouldn't outsourcing manual labor, the decimation of unionized labor, tax cuts and kickbacks for the uber-rich, and so on seem to be both more reasonable for the lack of happiness in people and more logically connected to the stagnation of wages? I suppose the rise in instantaneous, reactionary, entertainment "news" has really cut into the need for deep thought and research, and this is but one example.
Further, as an aside, my wife and I share household chores pretty evenly. I watch the baby on Monday, she gets him on Friday, over the weekend we share, I cook, she does dishes, she washes clothes, I take out garbage, we got all bourgie and got house cleaners to keep up where we can't. Oh, and we both work, and make just about the same amount depending on whether or not she works weekends vs. me teaching in the Winter and Summer. Both of us are very happy.0
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