The State of "Palestine" Quiz

Byrnzie wrote:

Jerome230 wrote:

Here's an interesting video for you, byrnzie. I'm curious what you think about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ByJb7QQ9U#!

And another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc9imoJW ... re=related

Is this what it's come to now? You begin by posting a cartoon from familybible.org, and now you ask me to address a couple of silly Youtube clips.

I can't be bothered to watch them, so what point, or points, in either of these two videos would you like me to address?

I was just curious what your thoughts were on them. And I never knew about familybible.org...

You're a rude lot.

VivaPalestina wrote:

Yes, I forgot to post my zionist quiz. You missed the point.

Let me guess - you got it from familykoran.org?

Neither Abbas nor Obama can explain how anyone could have recognized a UN-designated Palestinian state that Palestinian leaders and the Arab states themselves have rejected.
Of the troubles in Ireland, William Butler Yeats once wrote, "Great hatred and little room maimed us from the start." In Palestine at the start, there was PLENTY of room - more than enough room for a prosperous Jewish state and a prosperous Arab state. After WWI ended, with the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire, the League of Nations established the "Mandate For Palestine", including all the land that is Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, plus the entire territory east of the Jordan River now called the Kingdom of Jordan.
The area under the mandate was as large as Syria and about half as large as Iraq, the total population at the time was less than 1 million, of whom 10% were Jews. It was in that vast, underdeveloped and underpopulated territory that the British had promised in the language of the 1917 Balfour Declaration to "Support the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." The declaration also promised that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine."
Open Jewish immigration to the area was encouraged, as was freedom of speech, religion and assembly for the Arabs of Palestine, rights they had sorely lacked under Turkish rule. Mired for more than two centuries in backwardness and poverty, "Palestinians" were never recognized by the Ottoman Empire as possessing any national identity. The "Palestinians" quickly took advantage of their new freedom to speak bluntly, demanding a stop to the Jewish immigration which had just begun. Said one Arab representative during the Paris Peace Conference, "We will push the Zionists into the sea, or they will send us back into the desert."
Aref (Pasha) Dajani, representative to the Administrative Committee of the Muslim-Christian Association, warned that "It is impossible to live with the Jews. In all the countries where they are at present, they are not wanted because they always arrive to suck the blood of everybody. If the League of Nations will not listen to the appeal of the Arabs, this country will become a river of blood." Well, as promised, blood did flow, when the Palestinian demand to end Jewish immigration was not granted.
Jerusalem was the first flashpoint for regular Arab attacks on Jewish communities. In April 1920, Palestinians from nearby towns poured into the Old City. The Muslim mayor of Jerusalem and other notables worked up the crowd to launch a jihad against the Jews. “If we don’t use force against the Zionists and against the Jews, we will never be rid of them,” urged a newspaper editor. The crowd shouted back “we will drink the blood of the Jews!”
Shouting Islamic slogans like “Mohammed’s religion was born with the sword,” thousands surged through the Jewish Quarter and into West Jerusalem. The mobs vented their rage against any Jew they could find, burning and looting homes and stores and even attacking British and Arab policemen.
After several days of rioting, the final toll was six Jews dead, hundreds beaten and widespread destruction of property. What became known as the Nebi Musa Riot was the opening shot in a 90-year war to reverse the Balfour Declaration. And things soon got worse as the Allies, to assuage the fears of Arab monarchs, separated the land east of the Jordan River out of the total area accessible to Jewish immigrants and created the Emirate of Transjordan. Reconciling the aspirations of Arabs and Jews became far more tenuous after the Balfour Declaration had to be carried out in the truncated area of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.

There was now much less room and a great deal more hatred.

The decades that followed were marred by perpetual violence against the Jews, both in Palestine and in Europe. The two were often linked. Under the leadership of the Grand Mufti and president of the Supreme Muslim Council, Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Arabs of Palestine waged an endless jihad against their Jewish neighbours. When the British sent a royal commission to investigate a solution, the Jews — represented by Chaim Weizmann — pressed for a partition of the territory into two states, even if the territory assigned to the Jews was the size of a tablecloth.
The Peel Commission’s final report, published in July 1937, proposed such a division. The Jews were offered an independent state in a small enclave, along the sea coast, from Tel Aviv to the north of the country, constituting about 20 percent of the remaining Mandate territory, while the Palestinian Arabs would get 80 percent for their own state.
Desperate for any means to be able to bring in large numbers of the endangered European Jews, the Zionists reluctantly accepted the commission’s partition plan. Led by the Mufti, the Arabs rejected partition out of hand and pressed on with the armed revolt against the Mandate.
The British succeeded in putting down the violence for a time. Al-Husseini was sent into exile, ultimately, in Hitler’s Nazi Germany, where he lived as a special guest of the Fuerher. But severe limitations were placed on Jewish immigration to the Holy Land in the years leading up to the Holocaust, that undoubtedly directly led to the deaths of many thousands of European Jews.
Now, following the atrocities of the Second World War, Britain relinquished authority over the Mandate to the newly formed United Nations. The UN created yet another commission to try and figure out what to do with the contested territory.
The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine recommended by a vote of seven to three yet another two-state solution, another partition plan, to the General Assembly. This plan would have seen the territory divided almost equally between Jews and Arabs. Once again, the Zionists made public their acceptance of the proposal and, once again, Arab officials announced that any partition would be met with rivers of blood.
Shortly after, the 20-member Arab League sent their newly organized Arab Liberation Army against the Jews of Palestine. Elements of five regular Arab armies from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon, invaded Israel on May 15, 1948. Arab League Secretary General Abdul Rahman Azzam vowed, “This war will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongol massacres and the Crusades.”
But despite their overwhelming numbers and heated rhetoric, after a year of fighting, it was the Jewish state that won a decisive victory. Based on the 1949 Armistice lines, Israel’s territory expanded by almost 40 percent. The Palestinian Arabs were the big losers. For the second time in 10 years, their leaders rejected a partition plan that would have given them independence and more land, designated for their state, than for the Jewish state.
Instead, they ended up with nothing, and 650,000 Palestinians became refugees. Jordan’s King Abdullah sent his Arab Legion to occupy the Palestinian West Bank and annexed the territory to his kingdom. Egypt took the Gaza Strip, and for the next 18 years, denied Palestinians any civil rights.
It never occurred to the rulers of Jordan or Egypt to create a state for the homeless Palestinians, nor did new Palestinian leaders like Yasser Arafat protest this occupation of their land by foreign rulers.
Three times in the past decade, Israeli prime ministers have offered Palestinian leaders an independent state, far more generous than anything Jordan and Egypt ever controlled when they controlled the West Bank and Gaza. At Camp David in 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak agreed to the borders suggested by President Clinton that would have established a West Bank/Gaza Palestinian state with some territorial adjustments and with the Palestinians getting East Jerusalem as their capital.

For his part, Palestinian Liberation Organization chairman Yasser Arafat walked out of negotiations, went back home and launched the second Intifada. Invoking Islamic Jew hatred as justification, the Palestinians conducted a three-year, brutal campaign of suicide bombings against Israeli pizza parlors, wedding halls and discotheques.
In 2005, Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon decided it was against Israel’s security interests to govern the 1.1 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Sharon dismantled all of the Jewish settlements and pulled Israeli forces back across the 1967 borders between Israel and Gaza, without even any land swaps.
As an added bonus, Israel left the Palestinians a thriving flower export industry to help jumpstart the local economy. The Palestinians’ response to this generosity? First, they destroyed the donated greenhouses and then launched a war of missiles and rockets against civilian targets in Israel. In a September 2008 meeting in Jerusalem, then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert presented president Mahmoud Abbas with a detailed map of a future Palestinian state that, with land swaps, would constitute close to 100 percent of the territory of the West Bank and Gaza prior to the June 1967 war.
Olmert also offered to divide Jerusalem, enabling the Palestinians to locate their capital in the eastern half of the city. Promising to come back the next day for further discussions, Abbas took Olmert’s map to his Ramallah office, just a few miles outside Jerusalem, for his aides to study.
But Abbas never returned with the map. This was the last time the Israeli and Palestinian leaders met.

Many times over the last 63 years, both the international community and the State of Israel have offered the Arabs of Palestine their own state. Each time, these offers have been met by more violence against Jewish citizens. Neither President Abbas nor President Obama are ignorant of this fact. They simply both choose to ignore it.

For Mr. Abbas, this refusal seems to be part of a consistent thread woven throughout the Arab war against the Jews. Mr. Obama’s positions remain more mysterious.

I NEVER said Israel was perfect. Never. However, the settlements are a direct result of Arab terror against the Jews. More attacks? More settlements. Everyone in Israel knows this. Is it right? No...but neither are the indiscriminate attacks against helpless Israeli civilians. The aid? Well if you knew history, you'd know that the "Palestinians" signed the Oslo accords which stated that the 2 state solution will be based on NEGOTIATIONS. The blockade? Come on, I don't need to answer.

Irrational Islamic Jew-hatred is the root cause of the problem in the middle east. And you would have to be blind or politically constipated not to see that, or to not want to see it. It's often said (because its true) that if the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Jews were to lay down their weapons, they would be massacred. That's because the Palestinians (or Muslim Arabs, for you hair-splitters) do not want peace - they want. The Jews. Dead. They could have their own state by now if they wanted it, but they don't want it - they just want an end to the Jewish state. And thanks to their religion, their so-called "religion of peace", they have the same delusions of manifest destiny and disregard, and the same grisly agenda as Hitler - not the other way around, as the well-versed byrnzie, and all of his blind biased bullshit (and yes, it is bullshit) would like you to believe. If they had their way, they would all commit genocide today. They wouldn't wait until tomorrow. It's NOT EVEN A SECRET.

VivaPalestina wrote:

Hopeless to zionist rationalization and thought? Huge compliment.

No. Hopeless that you actually are so delusional that you think there is or ever was a sovereign entity called Palestine. Palestine is to Israel as Oz was to Kansas.

On that note, I bid you adieu.

VivaPalestina wrote:

Are you kidding me? You refer to Palestine repeatedly, you refer to the UN Partition plan, they were partitioning the land of Palestine.

Right! It is/was the name of the region! the name "Palestine" doesn't even have roots in Arabic. The name "Palestine" refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region (if memory serves me correctly) in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible (apologies for even going there) and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root name - "palash") was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical connection with Arabia or Arabs. The word Palestine (or Palestina) originally identified the region as "The Land of The Philistines", a war-like tribe that inhabited much of the region alongside the Hebrew people. But the older name from antiquity for this region was not Palestine, but Canaan. From the beginning of history to this day, Israel-Judah-Judea has had the only united, independent, sovereign "Nation-State" that ever existed in "Palestine" west of the Jordan River. I promise you, I'm not making this up.