No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

lukin2006 · February 2012

polaris_x wrote:

i know it's his thread ... but really - y'all should ignore him ... he complains that we/I are attacking him by asking him to educate himself when the truth is he still hasn't bothered to learn what global warming is ... then he accuses us of just copying and pasting blogs ... haha ... that is the most absurd thing ever ... apparently, only opponents of AGW are allowed to copy and paste links to fraud blogs ... meanwhile, i post a link from a meterological weather office and he just ignores it because he thinks it's a blog ... he wants US to read his bs but he won't bother to read ours ... it's totally disingenuous ... we read his shit and post rebuttals but he won't take the time to read ours ... sad ...

Calling it global warming is misleading I think...would it not be better to standardize the term to climate change. I remember back to the winter of 2010/2011 and it was a snowy/cold winter I heard a lot of people saying "where's global warming or so much for global warming"... I just wonder if the term climate change was used and people were shown that the weather is being very unpredictable if there would be less of a debate. This winter around here is the second warmest on record and I've only shoveled my drive once...we go from extreme to another in 1 year and all the meteorologist were wrong.

polaris_x · February 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

Calling it global warming is misleading I think...would it not be better to standardize the term to climate change. I remember back to the winter of 2010/2011 and it was a snowy/cold winter I heard a lot of people saying "where's global warming or so much for global warming"... I just wonder if the term climate change was used and people were shown that the weather is being very unpredictable if there would be less of a debate. This winter around here is the second warmest on record and I've only shoveled my drive once...we go from extreme to another in 1 year and all the meteorologist were wrong.

no ... global warming is the correct terminology ... climate change is an effect of global warming ... global warming is the primary problem ... the results of global warming include climate change, rising sea levels, diminishing sea ice, population disruption, etc ...

all these effects including extreme weather events including cold spells is the result of the artificial warming of the planet ...

lukin2006 · February 2012

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Calling it global warming is misleading I think...would it not be better to standardize the term to climate change. I remember back to the winter of 2010/2011 and it was a snowy/cold winter I heard a lot of people saying "where's global warming or so much for global warming"... I just wonder if the term climate change was used and people were shown that the weather is being very unpredictable if there would be less of a debate. This winter around here is the second warmest on record and I've only shoveled my drive once...we go from extreme to another in 1 year and all the meteorologist were wrong.

no ... global warming is the correct terminology ... climate change is an effect of global warming ... global warming is the primary problem ... the results of global warming include climate change, rising sea levels, diminishing sea ice, population disruption, etc ...

all these effects including extreme weather events including cold spells is the result of the artificial warming of the planet ...

thanks for clearing that up for me...then just from my observations there is a lot of work/education ahead to convince people.

Do you think that global warming science classes should be mandated as part of the school curriculum? Starting in elementary school and expanding in high school, not just the token section of science class but maybe a whole credit/course. Seems to me that if people are educated on the subject at an earlier age then maybe going forward could be better for society.

polaris_x · February 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

thanks for clearing that up for me...then just from my observations there is a lot of work/education ahead to convince people.

Do you think that global warming science classes should be mandated as part of the school curriculum? Starting in elementary school and expanding in high school, not just the token section of science class but maybe a whole credit/course. Seems to me that if people are educated on the subject at an earlier age then maybe going forward could be better for society.

i would say that it does not require a full credit course primarily because it would be very difficult to create one ... the basic science surrounding global warming could be taught in one or two classes ... the issue is - what is going to be the result? ... models can only speculate on so much when it involves so many moving parts ... we know that we will experience climate change, more extreme weather events, rising sea levels, etc ... but to what extent? ... that's the hard part ...

having said that - you are right, education is the key ... but unfortunately, there is a lot of money being spent making sure people are misinformed ... and sadly, money controls a lot these days ...

bigdvs · February 2012

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

thanks for clearing that up for me...then just from my observations there is a lot of work/education ahead to convince people.

Do you think that global warming science classes should be mandated as part of the school curriculum? Starting in elementary school and expanding in high school, not just the token section of science class but maybe a whole credit/course. Seems to me that if people are educated on the subject at an earlier age then maybe going forward could be better for society.

i would say that it does not require a full credit course primarily because it would be very difficult to create one ... the basic science surrounding global warming could be taught in one or two classes ... the issue is - what is going to be the result? ... models can only speculate on so much when it involves so many moving parts ... we know that we will experience climate change, more extreme weather events, rising sea levels, etc ... but to what extent? ... that's the hard part ...

having said that - you are right, education is the key ... but unfortunately, there is a lot of money being spent making sure people are misinformed ... and sadly, money controls a lot these days ...

Lets mandate Captian Planet viewings, that would help all the kiddies understand beter. :roll:

inlet13 · February 2012

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

And here's a perfect example of what I was saying. According to this poster, no will ever know what global warming is until they agree with him.

it's not about agreeing with me ... just read this thread ... you've shown literally no understanding of the topic whatsoever ... you actually posted a link from some hack who said the earth has been cooling over the last decade ... that is proof you don't know what you are talking about ...

if you do know what it is ... demonstrate it to me by articulating a response to the myriad of opposing viewpoints you've found in this thread ...

is CO2 not a greenhouse gas? ... is the greenhouse effect bogus? ...

I've already answered these question on page five of the thread and asked you questions in response that you did not answer. But to reiterate, I said I don't know for certain. I know you want a yes or no answer, but I think "I don't know" is actually the most sound answer one could provide on this issue.

Let me elaborate - CO2 may be classified as a greenhouse gas (although some may disagree). But, wouldn't you not say that if CO2 was a greenhouse gas, it would need to precede temperature rises? This is one area where statistics comes in, proving that. In my humble opinion, even if it is a greenhouse gas, it may not be the most important factor (or even a statistically significant factor) in AGW.

On the greenhouse effect - once again, I think the answer is largely difficult to prove. I'd side with I'm skeptical. If warming does exist, it may not be due to Co2... it could be due to solar activity or a number of other issues (cloud movement, heat from the ocean may also play a part). After all, CO2 is a relatively small part of the atmosphere. Like I asked before, questions need to be answered such as: do other planets follow our cooling/heating? What's their measure of CO2?

This is where statistics comes in. Hence, why I've explained over and over that one needs to understand statistics and modeling in order to have a real understanding of this issue. This is not as cut and dry as you want it to be... it's not simply you believe or you don't believe... especially, if we're talking science.

It's testing theory with statistics. Those tests and the data associated can have major flaws rendering results useless. This is particularly true when there's reason for a political bias associated with the cause.

SweetChildofMine · March 2012

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... -melt.html

Polar caps are melting per Nasa.... naw no need to panic

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... stest-pace

Im not concerned about global warming... Id rather just red herring argue about flawed science models, phoney baloney scientist....instead

good grief

brianlux · March 2012

SweetChildofMine wrote:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/thick-melt.html

Polar caps are melting per Nasa.... naw no need to panic

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... stest-pace

Im not concerned about global warming... Id rather just red herring argue about flawed science models, phoney baloney scientist....instead

good grief

NASA- buncha liberal bloggers.... right?

No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

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